From lee at vgrp.com Wed Mar 26 23:24:33 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:24:33 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Test message for new CKF email list Message-ID: <002f01c88fd3$39041760$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> This is a test message sent by Lee Shurie. It will go to the list members: Steve H and Lee S. Best, Lee Lee A. Shurie, President, Vision Technologies Group 450 North Brand Blvd., Suite 600, Glendale, CA 91203 818-291-6263 ------------- 818-276-1556 (fax) mailto:lee at vgrp.com --- http://www.vgrp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080326/1fb9ca84/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080326/1fb9ca84/attachment.gif From sh at actglobal.net Thu Mar 27 03:03:06 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:03:06 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] it's working Message-ID: <001501c88ff1$c0b8b580$422a2080$@net> Hey Lee, It looks good. So far it appears to be working. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080327/d708fc6b/attachment.html From sh at actglobal.net Thu Mar 27 03:04:00 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:04:00 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Test message for new CKF email list In-Reply-To: <002f01c88fd3$39041760$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> References: <002f01c88fd3$39041760$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Message-ID: <001a01c88ff1$e1587460$a4095d20$@net> Again, This looks perfect. Reply goes only to the sender and reply all includes both the sender and the list. Steve From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Lee A. Shurie Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:25 PM To: info at list.ckf.org Subject: [CKF Info] Test message for new CKF email list This is a test message sent by Lee Shurie. It will go to the list members: Steve H and Lee S. Best, Lee Lee A. Shurie, President, Vision Technologies Group 450 North Brand Blvd., Suite 600, Glendale, CA 91203 818-291-6263 ------------- 818-276-1556 (fax) mailto:lee at vgrp.com --- http://www.vgrp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080327/1b3a7801/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080327/1b3a7801/attachment.gif From sh at actglobal.net Fri Mar 28 12:34:18 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:34:18 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <001301c89108$41297120$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> References: <001a01c8908f$285dfb30$7919f190$@net> <001301c89108$41297120$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Message-ID: <001e01c8910a$b76ccb00$26466100$@net> Henk, I'm going to ask Lee to keep the archives available to members only. The list is available to all though. I agree with your privacy concerns and knowing Lee, he has probably already done this. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ckf at paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-ckf at paddlewise.net] On > Behalf Of Henk Aling > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:17 PM > To: Steve Holtzman; ckf at paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > Steve, > > Is this list publicly available also to non-CKF members, > and the archive too? > > If yes, I suggest to *not* archive the messages for legal > liability reasons. That way we can speak our mind > about anything we want without fear of getting sued. > Or, even within the club, members may object if > pictures of them are posted publicly. > > Of course if the archive is limited to club members > there would be no problem. But we want to include > non-members too don't we? In that case I would > suggest we consider this thought out of privacy > concerns. > > Henk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Holtzman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that our wizard of the internet - Lee, > Skin > > Boat, Shurie, has come up with some major improvements to our club > email > > list. > > > > > > > > Shortly, you will be receiving some instructions from Lee concerning > how > > to > > send mail using the new email servers. Some of the improvements you > will > > see > > are: > > > > > > > > 1) You can use formatted text in your message. > > > > > > > > 2) You can paste a picture in your message. > > > > > > > > 3) Email attachments can be permitted. (except for dangerous files > which > > can > > be blocked) > > > > > > > > 5) lines of more than 80 characters won't be broken. > > > > > > > > 6) Links contained in messages are less likely to be broken than > before. > > > > > > > > 7) All messages will be archived, so you can browse past messages or > > search > > them. > > > > > > > > 8) You can choose to get messages instantly or in digest form at the > end > > of > > each day. > > > > > > > > 9) It is easier to subscribe and un-subscribe. > > > > > > > > So stay tuned for a new and improved CKF email list. > > > > > > > > Steve > -- > California Kayak Friends Internet Mailing List > Discussions: ckf at paddlewise.net > Subscriptions: ckf-request at paddlewise.net > World Wide Web: http://www.ckf.org/ From sh at actglobal.net Fri Mar 28 12:34:43 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:34:43 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01c8910a$c6393ec0$52abbc40$@net> So far yes Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ckf at paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-ckf at paddlewise.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry goldner > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:45 AM > To: ckf at paddlewise.net > Subject: > > Is this address still operational? > > JerryG > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real > difference. > Learn more. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause > -- > California Kayak Friends Internet Mailing List > Discussions: ckf at paddlewise.net > Subscriptions: ckf-request at paddlewise.net > World Wide Web: http://www.ckf.org/ From lee at vgrp.com Fri Mar 28 13:27:20 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:27:20 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF Email List Archives In-Reply-To: <001e01c8910a$b76ccb00$26466100$@net> Message-ID: <005c01c89112$1f944a30$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Henk, The archive is available to list members only, but that includes anyone who is properly signed up. We don't currently have a way to limit the archive to club members only. We have a choice of maintaining an archive which any authenticated list member can view, or not maintaining an archive. By the way, if we do maintain an archive, photos and other attachments are not saved. Archives are in plain text format only. Thanks for your input. Best, Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ckf at paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-ckf at paddlewise.net] On > Behalf Of Henk Aling > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:17 PM > To: Steve Holtzman; ckf at paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > Steve, > > Is this list publicly available also to non-CKF members, > and the archive too? > > If yes, I suggest to *not* archive the messages for legal liability > reasons. That way we can speak our mind about anything we want without > fear of getting sued. Or, even within the club, members may object if > pictures of them are posted publicly. > > Of course if the archive is limited to club members > there would be no problem. But we want to include > non-members too don't we? In that case I would > suggest we consider this thought out of privacy > concerns. > > Henk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Holtzman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that our wizard of the internet - Lee, > Skin > > Boat, Shurie, has come up with some major improvements to our club > email > > list. > > > > > > > > Shortly, you will be receiving some instructions from Lee concerning > how > > to > > send mail using the new email servers. Some of the improvements you > will > > see > > are: > > > > > > > > 1) You can use formatted text in your message. > > > > > > > > 2) You can paste a picture in your message. > > > > > > > > 3) Email attachments can be permitted. (except for dangerous files > which > > can > > be blocked) > > > > > > > > 5) lines of more than 80 characters won't be broken. > > > > > > > > 6) Links contained in messages are less likely to be broken than > before. > > > > > > > > 7) All messages will be archived, so you can browse past messages or > > search them. > > > > > > > > 8) You can choose to get messages instantly or in digest form at the > end > > of > > each day. > > > > > > > > 9) It is easier to subscribe and un-subscribe. > > > > > > > > So stay tuned for a new and improved CKF email list. > > > > > > > > Steve > -- > California Kayak Friends Internet Mailing List > Discussions: ckf at paddlewise.net > Subscriptions: ckf-request at paddlewise.net > World Wide Web: http://www.ckf.org/ _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From lee at vgrp.com Fri Mar 28 13:29:06 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:29:06 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Welcome to the new CKF email list Message-ID: <006801c89112$5ef718b0$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Welcome to the new CKF email list! If you have received this message you are successfully signed up. As Steve Holtzman mentioned, you will enjoy many new features which have been added. To post messages to the CKF email list, send them to info at list.ckf.org. To manage your preferences, subscribe, or unsubscribe go to http://ckf.org and click "Email List" on the left hand menu. Or click the blue button. Best, Lee From paddlemejerryg at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 18:20:15 2008 From: paddlemejerryg at hotmail.com (Jerry goldner) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:15 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] (no subject) Message-ID: Fellow Paddlers, To all who responded to my inquiry.......thanks. JerryG _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Fri Mar 28 16:24:27 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:24:27 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century Message-ID: I agree with Henk. it is a terrible idea to have our archives easily searchable. Technology is not always beneficial. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 3/28/2008 12:18:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aling13 at cox.net writes: Steve, Is this list publicly available also to non-CKF members, and the archive too? If yes, I suggest to *not* archive the messages for legal liability reasons. That way we can speak our mind about anything we want without fear of getting sued. Or, even within the club, members may object if pictures of them are posted publicly. Of course if the archive is limited to club members there would be no problem. But we want to include non-members too don't we? In that case I would suggest we consider this thought out of privacy concerns. Henk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holtzman" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > Hi everybody, > > > > I just wanted to let you know that our wizard of the internet - Lee, Skin > Boat, Shurie, has come up with some major improvements to our club email > list. > > > > Shortly, you will be receiving some instructions from Lee concerning how > to > send mail using the new email servers. Some of the improvements you will > see > are: > > > > 1) You can use formatted text in your message. > > > > 2) You can paste a picture in your message. > > > > 3) Email attachments can be permitted. (except for dangerous files which > can > be blocked) > > > > 5) lines of more than 80 characters won't be broken. > > > > 6) Links contained in messages are less likely to be broken than before. > > > > 7) All messages will be archived, so you can browse past messages or > search > them. > > > > 8) You can choose to get messages instantly or in digest form at the end > of > each day. > > > > 9) It is easier to subscribe and un-subscribe. > > > > So stay tuned for a new and improved CKF email list. > > > > Steve -- California Kayak Friends Internet Mailing List Discussions: ckf at paddlewise.net Subscriptions: ckf-request at paddlewise.net World Wide Web: http://www.ckf.org/ **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Fri Mar 28 16:53:48 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:53:48 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century Message-ID: I don't think you should keep them at all. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ ' In a message dated 3/28/2008 12:41:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sh at actglobal.net writes: Henk, I'm going to ask Lee to keep the archives available to members only. The list is available to all though. I agree with your privacy concerns and knowing Lee, he has probably already done this. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ckf at paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-ckf at paddlewise.net] On > Behalf Of Henk Aling > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:17 PM > To: Steve Holtzman; ckf at paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > Steve, > > Is this list publicly available also to non-CKF members, > and the archive too? > > If yes, I suggest to *not* archive the messages for legal > liability reasons. That way we can speak our mind > about anything we want without fear of getting sued. > Or, even within the club, members may object if > pictures of them are posted publicly. > > Of course if the archive is limited to club members > there would be no problem. But we want to include > non-members too don't we? In that case I would > suggest we consider this thought out of privacy > concerns. > > Henk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Holtzman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that our wizard of the internet - Lee, > Skin > > Boat, Shurie, has come up with some major improvements to our club > email > > list. > > > > > > > > Shortly, you will be receiving some instructions from Lee concerning > how > > to > > send mail using the new email servers. Some of the improvements you > will > > see > > are: > > > > > > > > 1) You can use formatted text in your message. > > > > > > > > 2) You can paste a picture in your message. > > > > > > > > 3) Email attachments can be permitted. (except for dangerous files > which > > can > > be blocked) > > > > > > > > 5) lines of more than 80 characters won't be broken. > > > > > > > > 6) Links contained in messages are less likely to be broken than > before. > > > > > > > > 7) All messages will be archived, so you can browse past messages or > > search > > them. > > > > > > > > 8) You can choose to get messages instantly or in digest form at the > end > > of > > each day. > > > > > > > > 9) It is easier to subscribe and un-subscribe. > > > > > > > > So stay tuned for a new and improved CKF email list. > > > > > > > > Steve > -- > California Kayak Friends Internet Mailing List > Discussions: ckf at paddlewise.net > Subscriptions: ckf-request at paddlewise.net > World Wide Web: http://www.ckf.org/ _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From bogeyje at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 28 21:13:34 2008 From: bogeyje at sbcglobal.net (Eva Bogart) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] new member Message-ID: <418735.25116.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eva From steve at brown-web.net Sat Mar 29 08:30:32 2008 From: steve at brown-web.net (Steve Brown) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:30:32 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Hi from Alviso Message-ID: <003401c891b1$d44f8800$7cee9800$@net> Hi All, Just had to test the list picture capability. These shots were taken at our "home" launch which is a few blocks from our house. Tide level was about 3 feet when these were taken. Level with the grass is about 8 foot tide, so it was a 5 foot muddy seal launch. Great fun getting in, not so much getting out. Tide range is routinely 8'-to-10' or more for spring tide at this location, so we joined a local sailing school to have dock access. That allows actually getting out of the water at low tide. Steve Brown From nettlesphoto at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 29 11:05:59 2008 From: nettlesphoto at roadrunner.com (Will Nettles) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:05:59 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <001301c89108$41297120$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> References: <001a01c8908f$285dfb30$7919f190$@net> <001301c89108$41297120$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Message-ID: <3C44355E-3E33-44DA-AE5D-8BD162E33517@roadrunner.com> I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF instead of a PFD from NRS...." Will From cavekayaker at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 12:49:30 2008 From: cavekayaker at yahoo.com (Scott Dunn) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <3C44355E-3E33-44DA-AE5D-8BD162E33517@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <386336.55051.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well Said Will! Another good self check is... Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? Well, maybe for some of us who have mothers... Peace, Scot Will Nettles wrote: I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF instead of a PFD from NRS...." Will _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From lee at vgrp.com Sat Mar 29 13:17:59 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:59 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Test 2 - Ignore Message-ID: <007601c891d9$fbc4ab40$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> This is just a message to test a couple features of the list. * Item 1 * Item 2 * Item 3 Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080329/a68d582f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: IMG_1073.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 59340 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080329/70055282/attachment-0003.jpe From macgrzly at pacbell.net Sat Mar 29 17:08:42 2008 From: macgrzly at pacbell.net (Jack Brisley) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:08:42 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Hi from Alviso - again In-Reply-To: <000601c891e2$cc20d7c0$64628740$@net> References: <000601c891e2$cc20d7c0$64628740$@net> Message-ID: <005601c891fa$375dba00$a6192e00$@net> Looks like there could be brain eating amoebas in that there water. Be looking for signs of dementia in your future posts. From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Brown Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:21 PM To: CKF Discussions Subject: [CKF Info] Hi from Alviso - again Hi All, Just had to test the list picture capability. These shots were taken at our "home" launch which is a few blocks from our house. Tide level was about 3 feet when these were taken. Level with the grass is about 8 foot tide, so it was a 5 foot muddy seal launch. Great fun getting in, not so much getting out. Tide range is routinely 8'-to-10' or more for spring tide at this location, so we joined a local sailing school to have dock access. That allows actually getting out of the water at low tide. Steve Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080329/3d4a0536/attachment.html From aling13 at cox.net Sun Mar 30 11:52:37 2008 From: aling13 at cox.net (Henk Aling) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:52:37 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century References: <386336.55051.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c89297$39853f90$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> > Another good self check is... > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there could be a problem with that. Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half the internet population. On the other hand, there have been heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world wide archive, I think. I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good reference material but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website. Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a big issue for me. Henk > Peace, > Scot > > Will Nettles wrote: > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > Will > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From cavekayaker at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 12:14:20 2008 From: cavekayaker at yahoo.com (Scott Dunn) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Alternatives to more sensitive 'members only' discussions... --was-- Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <001801c89297$39853f90$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Message-ID: <800689.19996.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Henk, "but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website." I agree with this, though it is rather time consuming for an admin to approve/filter each topic. There are a couple ways to get around this. 1. Create another members only list... not many would like this probably. 2. Create an online web forum with member and non member discussion areas. I can help with this as I have created many. Peace, Scott PS: I can give a link to an old one I created for the CI National Marine Sanctuary as an example to get the idea across to them. Though they shot the idea down as their lawers wouldn't support it and some members are 'timid' when it comes to technology. Henk Aling wrote: > Another good self check is... > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there could be a problem with that. Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half the internet population. On the other hand, there have been heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world wide archive, I think. I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good reference material but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website. Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a big issue for me. Henk > Peace, > Scot > > Will Nettles wrote: > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > Will > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/50700c4b/attachment.htm From phil_sager at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 12:15:11 2008 From: phil_sager at yahoo.com (phil sager) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] removal Message-ID: <430854.26025.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all; I'm moving out of area and would like to be removed from CKF email list please. Phil Sager --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/02d7140d/attachment.html From cavekayaker at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 12:27:50 2008 From: cavekayaker at yahoo.com (Scott Dunn) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Alternatives to more sensitive 'members only' discussions... --was-- Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <800689.19996.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418958.91812.qm@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All, Here is the test forum site and a logon if you want to take a look. I am not sure if it allows multiple log ons from one account, so if it doesn't work wait a bit and try again, or register for a user account and I will approve it so you can log on. Look for the register an account link if this link doesn't work. This site was created a couple years ago, so note that the info may be dated. Main Forum: http://www.dunnnetworks.com/forums/CINMS Test Post with Weather Bouy data and swell animation: http://www.dunnnetworks.com/forums/CINMS/index.php?topic=103.0 This link won't work unless you are logged in... User Name: Anacapa Password: kayak Feedback welcome. Peace, Scott PS: I have a forum in planning stages for Channel Islands Users. This is a personal project and I plan to include Sanctuary and National Park topics in it. I will let you know when it is up and running. Scott Dunn wrote: Hey Henk, "but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website." I agree with this, though it is rather time consuming for an admin to approve/filter each topic. There are a couple ways to get around this. 1. Create another members only list... not many would like this probably. 2. Create an online web forum with member and non member discussion areas. I can help with this as I have created many. Peace, Scott PS: I can give a link to an old one I created for the CI National Marine Sanctuary as an example to get the idea across to them. Though they shot the idea down as their lawers wouldn't support it and some members are 'timid' when it comes to technology. Henk Aling wrote: > Another good self check is... > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there could be a problem with that. Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half the internet population. On the other hand, there have been heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world wide archive, I think. I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good reference material but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website. Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a big issue for me. Henk > Peace, > Scot > > Will Nettles wrote: > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > Will > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now._______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/2d943a04/attachment-0001.html From lee at vgrp.com Sun Mar 30 12:55:37 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:55:37 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Alternatives to more sensitive 'members only'discussions In-Reply-To: <800689.19996.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c892a0$064be940$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Thanks Scott, There is a separate list for clubmembers only. Club members can post to that list by sending email to clubmembers at list.ckf.org. If someone is not on it, they can email me at webmaster at ckf.org and I will add them. We have similar forum software on the ckf.org server. It hasn't been utilized yet, but it is available if we need it. Best, Lee -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Scott Dunn Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:14 PM To: CKF Discussions' Subject: [CKF Info] Alternatives to more sensitive 'members only'discussions... --was-- Re: CKF: Email list is coming to the21st century Hey Henk, "but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website." I agree with this, though it is rather time consuming for an admin to approve/filter each topic. There are a couple ways to get around this. 1. Create another members only list... not many would like this probably. 2. Create an online web forum with member and non member discussion areas. I can help with this as I have created many. Peace, Scott PS: I can give a link to an old one I created for the CI National Marine Sanctuary as an example to get the idea across to them. Though they shot the idea down as their lawers wouldn't support it and some members are 'timid' when it comes to technology. Henk Aling wrote: > Another good self check is... > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there could be a problem with that. Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half the internet population. On the other hand, there have been heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world wide archive, I think. I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good reference material but some of the threads should have been restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have the trip reports and photos on our website. Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a big issue for me. Henk > Peace, > Scot > > Will Nettles wrote: > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > Will > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/ccda939b/attachment.htm From lee at vgrp.com Sun Mar 30 12:58:42 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:58:42 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] removal In-Reply-To: <430854.26025.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006601c892a0$746cf720$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Done. For list members' info: To manage your subscription go to http://ckf.org, click the blue mailing list icon, then scroll down to the bottom where you can log in to manage your preferences. If you forgot your password just type in your email and the password will be sent to you. Best, Lee -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of phil sager Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:15 PM To: Info at list.ckf.org Subject: [CKF Info] removal Hello all; I'm moving out of area and would like to be removed from CKF email list please. Phil Sager _____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/a85234bd/attachment.html From strosaker at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 13:04:24 2008 From: strosaker at yahoo.com (Duane Strosaker) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Hi from Alviso - again In-Reply-To: <005601c891fa$375dba00$a6192e00$@net> Message-ID: <494971.114.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Steve B., Sounds like you live within reach of Tsunamis, but I'm sure you have kayaks at the ready just in case. You're probably the only guy who would hoot when the Tsunami sirens sound. Duane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/4710c6fa/attachment.htm From aling13 at cox.net Sun Mar 30 13:27:35 2008 From: aling13 at cox.net (Henk Aling) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:27:35 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Welcome to the new CKF email list References: <006801c89112$5ef718b0$6502a8c0@LEESDELL> Message-ID: <005301c892a4$7da4e6f0$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Hello Lee I like that you picked MHonArc (very 20th century though, not 21st!). It is simple, easy to browse with a minimum amount of clutter. One thing I did not see is being able to reply straight from the archive. Is that possible? I think the SBKA list did that. Anyway thanks for providing this! Henk From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 30 13:33:53 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:33:53 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Day #29, La Jolla Surf Shindig In-Reply-To: <494971.114.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 3/28/08 Friday I drove down to San Diego for the Southwest Symposium and after dropping my camping stuff off at Campland headed to the Marine Room at La Jolla for a surf class with Sean Morley and Nigel Foster. There were about 10 of us in the class including Chuck Freedman, Patric Martin, Mike Bode. I was also happy to meet for the first time the builder of my Delfin kayak, Rafael Mier and his son Gustavo who were up from Mexico to attend the symposium. Everyone seemed competent kayakers with various levels of experience in the surf. We spent a bit of time talking in the sand and then headed out for the hands on training. I paddled out alongside Patrick who expressed some apprehension about his twitchy new boat, but looked like an old pro heading out through the surf. The waves had seemed a bit small when we had arrived, but picked up a bit and there were some challenging conditions for us novices. I think I caught the first wave of the group and had a nice ride to shore, but the paddle back out did not bode well for the day. A large wave broke in front of me and knocked me over backwards. A bit winded already I didn't even try for a roll and was probably the first in the group to swim as well. As someone who loves puching his sea kayak through incoming waves, I'm a bit embarrassed that punching through them in my surf boat is my major cause of carnage. Back on land for a bit, I got a tip from Sean on how to bunny hop over the soup and tried to put that to good use. A few of us moved a bit north of the Marine Room and while the waves were of a good size, they were rather closed out and after a couple rides we mingled back with the rest of the folk. Conditions seemed to get a lot better with some green water on our sides to push our rides a bit. Every time I'd paddled out I'd see Patrick out there with a big smile on his face till I decided he must have carved it into his beard!! We were a bit crowded and I had a couple near misses with Patrick that had his eyes widening a bit! Mike and I shared a wave on one ride and both of us zigged when we should have zagged for a bit of a collision, but we both stayed upright and Mike professed to be fine later. For the rest of the three hours, I just tried to sqeeze in as many rides as I could. Gustavo, only 16, seemed relentless and indefatigable playing in the surf that he said was bigger than what he was used to. The bunny hop served me in good stead and I found myself getting through waves that I felt sure would swamp me. A one point heading out one of the big ones loomed in front of me and I was sure of another swim. Next to me, Nigel was also paddling out and I hoped that before I found myself upside down, I'd be able to at least see how an expert would handle it, but what do you know, we both made it over! My bunny hop maneuver alone was worth the price of admission! I got some great rides and one of the best found me riding the shoulder deep into the reef area we were supposed to avoid. In trying to pull out of the wave, I got hit by another angling wave and found myself upside down for only the second time on the day. With a bit more air in my lungs, I took some time to compose myself and pulled out my first honest to goodness combat roll to add to the day's success. Still I was in some rough water and at Seans behest surfed some white water to a safer area. There were nothing but smiles on the faces of all the students for the day and I don't doubt on Sean's or Nigel's either. I've stopped trying to rate my latest surfing sessions because it just doesn't seem possible that each on seems to be better than the last. But a handy tip and my first combat roll makes this one I'll remember. Mark Sanders www.sandmarks.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/2413be50/attachment-0001.html From FryCat at aol.com Sun Mar 30 14:50:46 2008 From: FryCat at aol.com (FryCat at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:50:46 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] Missing Snap Dragon Spray Skirt Message-ID: If anyone should find a size large Snap Dragon neoprene spray skirt, Ken is offering a mega dollar reward. Lost at the San Diego symposium. Ken 714-289-0917 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/ebe68f61/attachment.html From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 30 16:20:16 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:20:16 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Day #30, Southwest Superimposium Message-ID: 3/29/08 It almost seemes that anybody who's anybody made it to the Aqua Adventures Southwest Symposium although I'm sorry to miss the few who couldn't attend. CKF folk were out in force monopolizing a whole section of the campground which made mixing, meeting and mooching all the more easier. Late from my surf class Friday, I chowed down some dinner and got my camp together to the sounds of Steve Wilson amped up in the exhibition tent right next to my site. Folks with Friday classes staggered in to meet old friends and gab about the good ol' days. I had planned to just take the surf class and spend Saturday just hanging out on the beach taking pictures of the goings on and maybe check out some of the new boats or tent talks, but after a lazy morning decided to join a group for a paddle out to the ocean. Henry and Kathy, Duane, Ken and Ben and I hit the water against a breezy bay. Despite the chilly start we all warmed up so as we stopped for Kathy and I to take off our jackets, Duane charged ahead needing to get back to set up for his Greenland Ropes demo later in the morn. We meandered through the channels, this being my first time kayaking anywhere past the Campland shore in SD. The longer we paddled the more we wondered why we hadn't seen Duane on his return trip, but soon figured out why. As we got close enough to the end of the channel, you could see the large swells forming outside. Up close to the jetty was Duane using the swell energy bounding off the rocks to power his way back down the jetty. We slipped out of the channel just enough to get a taste of the wind and large swells in the unprotected waters. Turning gingerly with the steep swells we headed back and I caught a couple of the rides that served Duane so well. On the way back, we met a few other folk and lost Ken to his own devices and decided to paddle home around one of the islands. I was strange at one point to see a pack of dogs running wild on the shore until we realized we were paddling next to a dog beach. Several of the water variety were bounding into the water to retrieve sticks and balls, but I couldn't entice any to chase me as I paddled close to shore. We put our trust in Henry to lead us home and though we did make it safely, we had to paddle through a couple jet ski designated area and portage our boats across a minor thoroughfare. Along the way we were also treated to sounds of hoof beats of a couple of horse riders plying the shore, a first for me on a kayak. I landed in time to watch the closing of Duane's demo where he got a middle-aged lady who used to be a gymnast interested enough to give it a try. Wet though I was, I tried one maneuver on the ropes before heading back to stow my gear. The rest of the day was left to socializing, although I'm afraid I forgot about my plan to immortalize the event photographically. Steve had asked for guitars to be brought for Nigel and Russell Farrow to use on the night's bonfire jam session. I just happened to have the only guitar no one was worried about getting too close to the fire. Around our dinner chatting at camp, Steve tried to get the guitar in some kind of tune and along with the chat gave us our own special performance. As an encore, Barb Tomita amazed us by playing and singing two beautiful Peter, Paul and Mary songs. I can only imagine it was my brush with death in my surf class that possessed me to offer my two song repertoire to the group and hands shaking like I leaf, I proceeded to butcher my two songs. But after downing three margaritas to settle my nerves, I got to try again an acquitted myself as well as I had hoped considering my talents. Soon we were all adjourning to the beachside fire pit for most people favorite part of the weekend. Last year while jamming around the fire, Steve's beloved Ovation guitar got a bit singed and this year as the fire grew a slight mist began to fall. Steve, not wanting to subject his guitar to the rain started off the night playing my guitar and I have to say I felt proud that my guitar that in its life has only know three chords could make that kind of music come out of it! It was a blast to see Steve go at it with Brent Reitz blowing the harmonica. After a few songs the weather eased a bit and Steve brought out his guitar alternating songs with Russell and Nigel and Duane Strosaker played his didgeridoo and provided a short comedy skit between songs. The music went on until the mist returned and the guitars were put away for the night. It was a great night of music and the real rain waited for most of us to be safe in our tents and even then took it easy on us. I woke in the morning to the sound of rain on my tent, but after about half an hour it stopped and we were able to get up and ingest some bacon and round up our gear. A few people still had classes on the day, but most pulled up camp and headed home. Another great weekend of kayaking music and friends. Mark Sanders www.sandmarks.net From Captainkayak at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 21:30:35 2008 From: Captainkayak at earthlink.net (P Martin) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:30:35 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium Message-ID: <018EDF0FDB7847F6BC5D518A321C65B3@PatrickPC> Wow! I think I may have had too much fun. I've had this big grin stuck on my face since Friday's surfing class, and as Mark Sanders speculated, it may be a permanent feature. And, as if the surfing wasn't enough, everything else I experienced at the Symposium just bonded the grin deeper into my psyche. So now I'm confused. I started the week out grumpy, stressed out, and weary of work. This was a perspective that I had grown accustomed to. I knew my roll, and although my cynicism may have been a little harsh at times, I was functional. But now I'm not only happy, I think I may even be exuberant! When I go to work tomorrow, people will not know how to relate to me and I won't know how to relate to them. They will likely get suspicious when I don't scowl at them. Being upbeat and optimistic may cause them to shy away from me. Hmmm, on second though, I'm seeing an advantage to this; maybe I will have an opportunity to get caught up on my work if people try to avoid me for a while. It all started with Friday's surfing class taught by two English men, Shawn Morley and Nigel Foster. Right from the beginning I was a bit apprehensive about this class because my classmates included Mike Bode and Mark Sanders. Mike and Mark are well known as excellent photographers and great story tellers. I knew that if I screwed up they would be able to document every detail to such an extent that it would be useless to try to come up any lame excuses. Then, they put me in this silly little boat that looked as if a shark had nipped of the front and back ends. And as I tried to paddle what was left of this boat into the surf, I found that it wanted to go every direction but straight ahead. With every stroke the boat tried to spin around and head back to shore. Then it dawned on me, having had both it's ends bitten off by shark attacks, the poor little boat was afraid to go back into the surf; it just wanted to go someplace safe and hide. I decided I needed to act like a "Boat Whisperer". I told the little boat that it need not worry about being gobbled up by a shark because it was being paddled by an Old Fart. To date, no Old Fart has ever been eaten by a shark because our scent tells the sharks that not only do we taste terrible, we are so putrid that a shark would get poisoned if it so much as tasted an Old Fart. The pep talk convinced the little boat to cooperate with me and let me paddle it into the surf. Before I knew it, I was in the surf with a squirrely little boat that wanted to spin in circles. I soon found that this boat could run from the surf going frontward, sideways, or backwards. There were times when the boat went in the direction that I wanted it to go. And there were times when the boat went into auto pilot and took me where it wanted to go. And just as I was beginning to appreciate the little surf boat's sense of humor, Dumpy showed up and decided to make things interesting. I found myself being hoisted high into the air on a big green wave. The wave was so steep that it scared my little boat which tried to duck and cover. The nose of the little boat dove under water, and as I was being pitch-poled, the noise coming out of my mouth was the sound of Scrat meeting Dumpy, "WHAAAAAAA......" Getting pummeled by Dumpy is definitely an E-Ticket ride. Not only do you get bounded and spun all over the place, but Dumpy tries to rob you while he is bouncing you around like a basketball in a Harlem Globe Trotters game. I found Dumpy trying to pull my helmet and goggles off my head. Then he tried to pull me out of my boat so that he could pick my pocket. Fortunately the little boat did not want to let go of me because it needed me for protection against sharks. And with the little boat on my side, I discovered that my combat roll still worked. That's when the fun really began with the little boat. I caught some nice rides and surprised myself when I found I could actually maneuver the boat in a limited sort of way. I've still got a long way to go before I can boast of any surfing proficiency, but I was off to a great start and having the time of my life. All told, I had pulled off about 8 combat rolls while dueling with Dumpy. I got knocked over so many times that I was actually starting to get relaxed while being under water. Fortunately my roll and my timing worked so that I did not have to go swimming. At the end of the day, I wasn't the only one with a case of happy face. Mike and Mark were also sporting big grins. It was a lot of fun to be out there in the surf with those guys and seeing them catching some great rides. It was also an eye opener to watch Nigel Foster surfing; he was so graceful cutting back and forth on the front of a wave that he made it look easy. My thanks to Nigel Foster and Shawn Morley for coaching us in the surfing class. And I can not express enough appreciation for Jen Kleck, Jake Stachovak, and the Aqua Adventures crew for organizing and hosting such a fantastic Symposium. One special moment comes to mind, I was standing next Jen at the bonfire with a light rain falling. I commented that the Symposium brought so many wonderful people together that I was torn between spending time with people that I didn't get to see very often vs. meeting new people. Jen summed it up when she said the Symposium is like a big family reunion. All the best, Patrick Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/05be6c8c/attachment.html From Captainkayak at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 22:09:00 2008 From: Captainkayak at earthlink.net (P Martin) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:09:00 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium In-Reply-To: <018EDF0FDB7847F6BC5D518A321C65B3@PatrickPC> References: <018EDF0FDB7847F6BC5D518A321C65B3@PatrickPC> Message-ID: <0DD2CDD953404C29B6E92DE20458A543@PatrickPC> Having read what I just submitted, I just slapped myself in the forehead. I've got to add that we were honored to have Raphiel and Gustavo Mier join us in the class and for the festivities at the Symposium. These guys came all the way from Mexico to paddle with us. Not only are they great paddlers with some very interesting adventures to share, they are also a couple of the nicest people one could ever hope to meet. I wish that we could spend more time with them. I hope you guys enjoy your stay and have a safe trip home. Thank you for coming so far to paddle and socialize with us. Mucho gusto, Patrick Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: P Martin To: CKF email list Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium Wow! I think I may have had too much fun. I've had this big grin stuck on my face since Friday's surfing class, and as Mark Sanders speculated, it may be a permanent feature. And, as if the surfing wasn't enough, everything else I experienced at the Symposium just bonded the grin deeper into my psyche. So now I'm confused. I started the week out grumpy, stressed out, and weary of work. This was a perspective that I had grown accustomed to. I knew my roll, and although my cynicism may have been a little harsh at times, I was functional. But now I'm not only happy, I think I may even be exuberant! When I go to work tomorrow, people will not know how to relate to me and I won't know how to relate to them. They will likely get suspicious when I don't scowl at them. Being upbeat and optimistic may cause them to shy away from me. Hmmm, on second though, I'm seeing an advantage to this; maybe I will have an opportunity to get caught up on my work if people try to avoid me for a while. It all started with Friday's surfing class taught by two English men, Shawn Morley and Nigel Foster. Right from the beginning I was a bit apprehensive about this class because my classmates included Mike Bode and Mark Sanders. Mike and Mark are well known as excellent photographers and great story tellers. I knew that if I screwed up they would be able to document every detail to such an extent that it would be useless to try to come up any lame excuses. Then, they put me in this silly little boat that looked as if a shark had nipped of the front and back ends. And as I tried to paddle what was left of this boat into the surf, I found that it wanted to go every direction but straight ahead. With every stroke the boat tried to spin around and head back to shore. Then it dawned on me, having had both it's ends bitten off by shark attacks, the poor little boat was afraid to go back into the surf; it just wanted to go someplace safe and hide. I decided I needed to act like a "Boat Whisperer". I told the little boat that it need not worry about being gobbled up by a shark because it was being paddled by an Old Fart. To date, no Old Fart has ever been eaten by a shark because our scent tells the sharks that not only do we taste terrible, we are so putrid that a shark would get poisoned if it so much as tasted an Old Fart. The pep talk convinced the little boat to cooperate with me and let me paddle it into the surf. Before I knew it, I was in the surf with a squirrely little boat that wanted to spin in circles. I soon found that this boat could run from the surf going frontward, sideways, or backwards. There were times when the boat went in the direction that I wanted it to go. And there were times when the boat went into auto pilot and took me where it wanted to go. And just as I was beginning to appreciate the little surf boat's sense of humor, Dumpy showed up and decided to make things interesting. I found myself being hoisted high into the air on a big green wave. The wave was so steep that it scared my little boat which tried to duck and cover. The nose of the little boat dove under water, and as I was being pitch-poled, the noise coming out of my mouth was the sound of Scrat meeting Dumpy, "WHAAAAAAA......" Getting pummeled by Dumpy is definitely an E-Ticket ride. Not only do you get bounded and spun all over the place, but Dumpy tries to rob you while he is bouncing you around like a basketball in a Harlem Globe Trotters game. I found Dumpy trying to pull my helmet and goggles off my head. Then he tried to pull me out of my boat so that he could pick my pocket. Fortunately the little boat did not want to let go of me because it needed me for protection against sharks. And with the little boat on my side, I discovered that my combat roll still worked. That's when the fun really began with the little boat. I caught some nice rides and surprised myself when I found I could actually maneuver the boat in a limited sort of way. I've still got a long way to go before I can boast of any surfing proficiency, but I was off to a great start and having the time of my life. All told, I had pulled off about 8 combat rolls while dueling with Dumpy. I got knocked over so many times that I was actually starting to get relaxed while being under water. Fortunately my roll and my timing worked so that I did not have to go swimming. At the end of the day, I wasn't the only one with a case of happy face. Mike and Mark were also sporting big grins. It was a lot of fun to be out there in the surf with those guys and seeing them catching some great rides. It was also an eye opener to watch Nigel Foster surfing; he was so graceful cutting back and forth on the front of a wave that he made it look easy. My thanks to Nigel Foster and Shawn Morley for coaching us in the surfing class. And I can not express enough appreciation for Jen Kleck, Jake Stachovak, and the Aqua Adventures crew for organizing and hosting such a fantastic Symposium. One special moment comes to mind, I was standing next Jen at the bonfire with a light rain falling. I commented that the Symposium brought so many wonderful people together that I was torn between spending time with people that I didn't get to see very often vs. meeting new people. Jen summed it up when she said the Symposium is like a big family reunion. All the best, Patrick Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080330/da6854f9/attachment-0001.htm From FryCat at aol.com Mon Mar 31 05:13:40 2008 From: FryCat at aol.com (FryCat at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:13:40 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] Spray Skirt Found Message-ID: Stop looking. The spray skirt has been returned in good condition. The perpetrator admitted to a fetish for neoprene skirts and has promised to enter a therapy program. Thank you all for your support during this difficult time. Ken **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080331/b3274165/attachment.htm From fowlc at greneker.com Mon Mar 31 09:25:17 2008 From: fowlc at greneker.com (Chuck Fowler) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:25:17 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Symposium Message-ID: <00ce01c8934b$ce876870$6a01a8c0@fowlc> Had a really good time at the symposium. I always feel so welcome with my fellow CKFers, like I have been a member for a long time, I'm only sorry that I could only stay one day. I learned a lot on the water and while I was hanging upside-down (alot) in the rolling class I was able to develop a new kayak invention. While I was hanging in the murky, weedy backwater, I thought to my self, 'self' what I would really like is a way to breathe about now. I came up (for air and) with a system not unlike the backpack hydration systems that some of us carry on our backs, only different. I'm thinking that one could have a thru-hull fitting in the very bottom of the boat with a hose leading up to the shoulder of ones PFD so that when the bottom becomes the top one would have a snorkel to the surface. With this device one could hang as long as one wanted to sort out the set up for ones roll and when said roll failed one you could think about what went wrong and then try again. As accessory to this could be another thru-hull that would launch flares and/or a beacon light. As a last resort, failing the feasibility of all of the above, I guess that a reliable roll would, maybe, be a good idea. Guess I'll have to work on that. Chuck Fowler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080331/a7f60856/attachment.html From silidriel at prodigy.net.mx Mon Mar 31 10:00:29 2008 From: silidriel at prodigy.net.mx (Rafael en prodigy) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:00:29 -0600 Subject: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium In-Reply-To: <0DD2CDD953404C29B6E92DE20458A543@PatrickPC> References: <018EDF0FDB7847F6BC5D518A321C65B3@PatrickPC> <0DD2CDD953404C29B6E92DE20458A543@PatrickPC> Message-ID: <000001c89350$bcccbc20$36663460$@net.mx> The pleasure is ours Pat, We encountered friends that treated us with great hospitality. We enjoyed very much the course. We thank Jen for organizing these events and the camaraderie of the Old Farts is unsurpassed. I noticed how they get along and how they tease each other and how each would give his safety to help the other. I?ll write my report when I get home. Thanks Patrick for the nice words and all others that I shall mention later. Best Regards, Rafael. De: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] En nombre de P Martin Enviado el: domingo, 30 de marzo de 2008 23:09 Para: P Martin; CKF email list Asunto: Re: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium Having read what I just submitted, I just slapped myself in the forehead. I've got to add that we were honored to have Raphiel and Gustavo Mier join us in the class and for the festivities at the Symposium. These guys came all the way from Mexico to paddle with us. Not only are they great paddlers with some very interesting adventures to share, they are also a couple of the nicest people one could ever hope to meet. I wish that we could spend more time with them. I hope you guys enjoy your stay and have a safe trip home. Thank you for coming so far to paddle and socialize with us. Mucho gusto, Patrick Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:Captainkayak at earthlink.net"P Martin To: HYPERLINK "mailto:info at list.ckf.org"CKF email list Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [CKF Info] Surfing at the Aqua Adventures' Symposium Wow! I think I may have had too much fun. I've had this big grin stuck on my face since Friday's surfing class, and as Mark Sanders speculated, it may be a permanent feature. And, as if the surfing wasn't enough, everything else I experienced at the Symposium just bonded the grin deeper into my psyche. So now I'm confused. I started the week out grumpy, stressed out, and weary of work. This was a perspective that I had grown accustomed to. I knew my roll, and although my cynicism may have been a little harsh at times, I was functional. But now I'm not only happy, I think I may even be exuberant! When I go to work tomorrow, people will not know how to relate to me and I won't know how to relate to them. They will likely get suspicious when I don't scowl at them. Being upbeat and optimistic may cause them to shy away from me. Hmmm, on second though, I'm seeing an advantage to this; maybe I will have an opportunity to get caught up on my work if people try to avoid me for a while. It all started with Friday's surfing class taught by two English men, Shawn Morley and Nigel Foster. Right from the beginning I was a bit apprehensive about this class because my classmates included Mike Bode and Mark Sanders. Mike and Mark are well known as excellent photographers and great story tellers. I knew that if I screwed up they would be able to document every detail to such an extent that it would be useless to try to come up any lame excuses. Then, they put me in this silly little boat that looked as if a shark had nipped of the front and back ends. And as I tried to paddle what was left of this boat into the surf, I found that it wanted to go every direction but straight ahead. With every stroke the boat tried to spin around and head back to shore. Then it dawned on me, having had both it's ends bitten off by shark attacks, the poor little boat was afraid to go back into the surf; it just wanted to go someplace safe and hide. I decided I needed to act like a "Boat Whisperer". I told the little boat that it need not worry about being gobbled up by a shark because it was being paddled by an Old Fart. To date, no Old Fart has ever been eaten by a shark because our scent tells the sharks that not only do we taste terrible, we are so putrid that a shark would get poisoned if it so much as tasted an Old Fart. The pep talk convinced the little boat to cooperate with me and let me paddle it into the surf. Before I knew it, I was in the surf with a squirrely little boat that wanted to spin in circles. I soon found that this boat could run from the surf going frontward, sideways, or backwards. There were times when the boat went in the direction that I wanted it to go. And there were times when the boat went into auto pilot and took me where it wanted to go. And just as I was beginning to appreciate the little surf boat's sense of humor, Dumpy showed up and decided to make things interesting. I found myself being hoisted high into the air on a big green wave. The wave was so steep that it scared my little boat which tried to duck and cover. The nose of the little boat dove under water, and as I was being pitch-poled, the noise coming out of my mouth was the sound of Scrat meeting Dumpy, "WHAAAAAAA......" Getting pummeled by Dumpy is definitely an E-Ticket ride. Not only do you get bounded and spun all over the place, but Dumpy tries to rob you while he is bouncing you around like a basketball in a Harlem Globe Trotters game. I found Dumpy trying to pull my helmet and goggles off my head. Then he tried to pull me out of my boat so that he could pick my pocket. Fortunately the little boat did not want to let go of me because it needed me for protection against sharks. And with the little boat on my side, I discovered that my combat roll still worked. That's when the fun really began with the little boat. I caught some nice rides and surprised myself when I found I could actually maneuver the boat in a limited sort of way. I've still got a long way to go before I can boast of any surfing proficiency, but I was off to a great start and having the time of my life. All told, I had pulled off about 8 combat rolls while dueling with Dumpy. I got knocked over so many times that I was actually starting to get relaxed while being under water. Fortunately my roll and my timing worked so that I did not have to go swimming. At the end of the day, I wasn't the only one with a case of happy face. Mike and Mark were also sporting big grins. It was a lot of fun to be out there in the surf with those guys and seeing them catching some great rides. It was also an eye opener to watch Nigel Foster surfing; he was so graceful cutting back and forth on the front of a wave that he made it look easy. My thanks to Nigel Foster and Shawn Morley for coaching us in the surfing class. And I can not express enough appreciation for Jen Kleck, Jake Stachovak, and the Aqua Adventures crew for organizing and hosting such a fantastic Symposium. One special moment comes to mind, I was standing next Jen at the bonfire with a light rain falling. I commented that the Symposium brought so many wonderful people together that I was torn between spending time with people that I didn't get to see very often vs. meeting new people. Jen summed it up when she said the Symposium is like a big family reunion. All the best, Patrick Martin _____ _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Here's the link: http://gallery.ckf.org/thumbnails.php?album=264 From qajaqbob at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 11:55:55 2008 From: qajaqbob at gmail.com (Bob Myers) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:55 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Email list is coming to the 21st century In-Reply-To: <001801c89297$39853f90$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> References: <386336.55051.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001801c89297$39853f90$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Message-ID: FYI, while it was never web-searchable, the entire CKF email archives for the last 12 years have always been available via the Majordomo list manager. Anything that has ever been said on the CKF list was archived. On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Henk Aling wrote: > > Another good self check is... > > > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? > > When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more > about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting > copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there > could be a problem with that. > > Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half > the internet population. On the other hand, there have been > heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world > wide archive, I think. > > I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have > to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also > still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been > a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good > reference material but some of the threads should have been > restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have > the trip reports and photos on our website. > > Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the > list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a > big issue for me. > > Henk > > > > > Peace, > > Scot > > > > Will Nettles wrote: > > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > > > Will > > _______________________________________________ > > Info mailing list > > Info at list.ckf.org > > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > > now. > > _______________________________________________ > > Info mailing list > > Info at list.ckf.org > > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > From fowlc at greneker.com Mon Mar 31 13:46:35 2008 From: fowlc at greneker.com (Chuck Fowler) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:46:35 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Fw: Symposium Message-ID: <017301c89370$5ee38b50$6a01a8c0@fowlc> ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Fowler To: CKF Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Symposium Had a really good time at the symposium. I always feel so welcome with my fellow CKFers, like I have been a member for a long time, I'm only sorry that I could only stay one day. I learned a lot on the water and while I was hanging upside-down (alot) in the rolling class I was able to develop a new kayak invention. While I was hanging in the murky, weedy backwater, I thought to my self, 'self' what I would really like is a way to breathe about now. I came up (for air and) with a system not unlike the backpack hydration systems that some of us carry on our backs, only different. I'm thinking that one could have a thru-hull fitting in the very bottom of the boat with a hose leading up to the shoulder of ones PFD so that when the bottom becomes the top one would have a snorkel to the surface. With this device one could hang as long as one wanted to sort out the set up for ones roll and when said roll failed one you could think about what went wrong and then try again. As accessory to this could be another thru-hull that would launch flares and/or a beacon light. As a last resort, failing the feasibility of all of the above, I guess that a reliable roll would, maybe, be a good idea. Guess I'll have to work on that. 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Pacific Daylight Time, qajaqbob at gmail.com writes: FYI, while it was never web-searchable, the entire CKF email archives for the last 12 years have always been available via the Majordomo list manager. Anything that has ever been said on the CKF list was archived. On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Henk Aling wrote: > > Another good self check is... > > > > Would my mother be embarrassed if she read what I just wrote? > > When I started this thread I was not thinking of harassment, more > about things like (bad) product reviews, or cutting and pasting > copyrighted material. Your mother might not know that there > could be a problem with that. > > Then again, if that were a serious problem you could fine half > the internet population. On the other hand, there have been > heated debates on the CKF list that don't belong on a world > wide archive, I think. > > I have 7252 CKF messages in my box, would like not to have > to keep them on my disk so an archive would be nice. I also > still have all SBKA archives somewhere while I only have been > a member for a few years. Lots of fun reading material and good > reference material but some of the threads should have been > restricted to members I think. For PR purposes we still have > the trip reports and photos on our website. > > Anyway Lee mentioned offline that you have to sign up for the > list and the archive, which is just right IMHO. It's not really a > big issue for me. > > Henk > > > > > Peace, > > Scot > > > > Will Nettles wrote: > > I try never to e-mail anything I might later regret. Archived or not > > just about everything that travels on the 'net is never really > > deleted. I've got archives of e-mail going back over ten years.... > > > > To paraphrase the crusading prosecutor & governor of New York Eliot > > Spitzer, 'Don't sign anything, don't write anything down, don't put it > > an e-mail.....'cause if you do, we'll get you.' He certainly proved it. > > > > Perhaps we should attach a version of the Standard Suicide Pact to the > > sign-in for Mailing List access, We all know the personal > > responsibility form: "Kayaking is a potentially dangerous sport.... by > > joining us you agree to take full responsibility for your own > > safety..... some of us may know a lot, some of us may talk a lot.... > > and not everyone who talks a lot knows a lot..... anything you choose > > to do with the information is your choice.......you may find yourself > > in the middle of a shipping lane trying to do something suggested by a > > guy in his underwear who couldn't sleep, but isn't quite awake." > > > > Cause when you walk into Southwind or Aqua Adventures and ask for a > > "Wife Mouth Bag" you'll understand this.....or when you order Adobe > > Acrobat from Amazon cause someone wrote that you need a new PDF > > instead of a PFD from NRS...." > > > > Will > > _______________________________________________ > > Info mailing list > > Info at list.ckf.org > > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080331/492bc802/attachment.htm From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 31 15:06:13 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:06:13 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Symposium paddle pics posted In-Reply-To: <47F13692.2090804@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the nice pics Mike. I almost look like I know what I'm doing in them! Mark -----Original Message----- Symposium paddle pics posted! Check them out at Mike Bode's Gallery! Here's the link: http://gallery.ckf.org/thumbnails.php?album=264 _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Mon Mar 31 16:42:38 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:42:38 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] man rows 3000 miles across Atlantic in 75 days Message-ID: _http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=7192798_ (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=7192798) Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080331/1a6187f1/attachment.html From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 31 17:37:05 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:37:05 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Los Matadors del Oleaje Radioactivo Message-ID: Need something to watch as you compose your symposium reports??? This is the footage from my first attempts at surfing from last year. Mostly a good excuse to listen to the music. I had sent it to Rafael to thank him for donating the Delfin to the club(mostly me) last year. Mark http://www.youtube.com/user/SandMarks From silidriel at prodigy.net.mx Mon Mar 31 21:34:00 2008 From: silidriel at prodigy.net.mx (Rafael en prodigy) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:34:00 -0600 Subject: [CKF Info] Kayak Symposium at Mission Bay, Ca. Message-ID: <002101c893b1$9b72ddf0$d25899d0$@net.mx> Gustavo and myself were very lucky to attend the Symposium. Lucky because it is not easy to make such a long trip, and then because we were made feel at home. We have to start with the origin of this which is the initiative and excellent organization of Jen and Jack and all the team in Aqua Adventures. Friendly, helping and caring people that make you feel like the only one. Then we were back to see our cherished friends of CKF with whom we have more conversations than with many friends in our community, since we get to read from them and respond to them almost every other day. Putting this in years makes a very sound knowledge that only needs to be matched to the face. So, no wonder, we get there and arms are open to welcome us and we got offers of everything, hot water, dinner, lunch, camping chairs, sun blocking cr?me, hot coffee, etc. Ken Fry and Barb Tomita invited us for dinner on Friday evening and we had the nicest chat with them. They had brought some camping chairs for us knowing that we could not carry them on the plain. Barb only has thoughts to serve and help. You are very special Barb. There were the Old Farts, with whom we shared the water in the following days. Thanks to Steve Holtzmann, Mike Bode, Mark Sanders, Chris Wood and Patrick Martin. Let me tell you that we found extremely pleasing to see how close a friendship and how well they get along. Their teasing to each other is sufficient to stay there just listening and laughing. Henry and Kathy Pilcher introduced themselves after so long exchange of communications. Such a nice couple. Paula Chavez so welcoming and full of good wishes. Warm welcome from Wes and Debbie, who at all moments were discretely watching to see if we needed something. We shared the camping space with Duane Strosaker. It was so good to meet you again and talk about your projects and the progress of the Point Bennett that we are building, and so many other things. There was Mike Brown, strong and energetic as usual, good to see you Mike. Now if you want to see a happy face, a smiling comment, a positive assertion, a good inspiration and great fun, then there is Steve Wilson, whose music brings us happiness and whose good spirit makes you feel well. Some other friends whose names escape to me now (still haven?t slept much), were also very kind, and we got the refreshing wake up with Tom?s coffee. Somebody left a bag full of bananas and apples on our table. Thanks a lot. For two days we did not know what to do but on the third we thought that somebody would feel happy if they knew they would not get spoiled so we used and offered some of them. At first I thought they were Duane?s until he said they weren?t. So thanks to the anonymous contributor. As far as the Symposium, let me say that the surfing class with Nigel Foster and Sean Morley was FANTASTIC. Gustavo really understood what it was all about and went out and did it and now he is on the other side of the fence. The incident management class with Steve M. was very good and the experience of entering and exiting the rocks with the waves pounding on them was new to me, and intimidating at first, but fun at the end. Mark and Steve are very good paddlers with beautiful style in the roughest conditions. The braces and edging class with Ronnie and Marsha was very good and well taught but suddenly Gus and I realized that, maybe, rating the class, should help in avoiding taking something that you will not profit a lot from. I used the opportunity to get as much from them as possible on the high brace technique, which is my weak part. Gustavo was sent out of the class by Ronnie in a joking fashion, when he did a head under water high brace. And my previous comment comes in the class of Beyond the Basics, where we were asked by Russell our instructor, about our expectations and two girls were just beginners, a guy was with a little experience and then I found myself out of place. The Beyond the Basics is very ample term and it can be beyond the very basics or beyond the real basics, and it turned out to be the first. Anyway I tried my best to do a good technique and to get as much info from the instructor about the right hands and elbow positions. And with open mind you always get some good input that otherwise might not come. For example I did a T rescue on a capsized girl and realized that the Brit boats have a very pointed nose and therefore bringing it over your kayak is so hard, unless you turn it upwards. Then you can pull it and turn it over to empty and turn over again. Anyway my suggestion is to give a rating (beginner, intermediate, advanced) to a class so that the span of attendants abilities is less, and they get more out of the course. Thanks a lot to all specially Jen. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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