From lee at vgrp.com Thu May 1 15:53:02 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:53:02 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] May 10 Channel Islands Harbor Safe Boating Expo Message-ID: <001001c8abde$1c4b3780$6402a8c0@LEESDELL> For your info in case you are interested in attending... Best, Lee -----Original Message----- From: ci-sanctuary-l-bounces at rain.org [mailto:ci-sanctuary-l-bounces at rain.org] On Behalf Of Shauna Bingham Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:04 PM To: Public List Subject: May 10 Chanenl Islands Harbor Safe Boating Expo Learn more about how you can promote safe boating at the *3rd Channel Islands Harbor Annual Safe Boating Expo* on Saturday, May 10, 2008 from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. at the US Coast Guard Station. See below for details about helicopter search and rescue demonstrations, USCG vessel tours, agency booth displays, expired flare disposal, vessel safety examinations, and more! There will also be free prize give aways from Stearns and West Marine. _______________________________________________ Ci-sanctuary-l mailing list Ci-sanctuary-l at rain.org http://www.rain.org/mailman/listinfo/ci-sanctuary-l From hullcracker at yahoo.com Thu May 1 16:37:37 2008 From: hullcracker at yahoo.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Sunday 5/4 Newport Paddle Message-ID: <40393.12814.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kayak People, Dave O, Duane S, and Steve W, launching Sunday 5/4 at 8 AM from the Coast Guard Station in Newport Beach. Destination Laguna Beach. We will land though the surf in one of the coves around Laguna if hospitable. We will be traveling at crossing speed. Kayak Person --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080501/525eeefa/attachment.html From sh at actglobal.net Fri May 2 08:39:32 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:39:32 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Where in the world is Jen Kleck? Message-ID: <000001c8ac6a$b7e7c5f0$27b751d0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: noreply at findmespot.com [mailto:noreply at findmespot.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:20 AM To: jankleck at earthlink.net; jakestachovak at yahoo.com; javapablo2003 at yahoo.com; thomu at cox.net; lbugbee at earthlink.net; robert.e.kleck at dartmouth.edu; sh at actglobal.net; garyhakala at gmail.com Subject: OK ESN:0-7372448 SPOT Check OK. ESN:0-7372448 Latitude:52.9147 Longitude:-4.1372 Nearest Location:not known Distance:not known Time:05/02/2008 08:20:08 (US/Pacific) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q &hl=en&geocode=&q=52.9147,-4.1372&ie=UTF8&z=12&om=1 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3071 (20080502) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080502/f53b9f2c/attachment-0001.htm From embro at sbcglobal.net Fri May 2 16:50:47 2008 From: embro at sbcglobal.net (Mike Brown) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Late Notice Paddle Message-ID: <104775.35142.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be launching at La Jolla Shores tomorrow morning at about 0730. Anybody desiring to share the ocean with me is welcome. It is kind of late notice and I have not formulated any specific plan except to launch! Conditions from Surfwatch Saturday, 0800: Swell: SW 5.5' @ 14 seconds Winds SW< 10kt High tide @0838 4.29' Low tide 14:09 Standard Disclaimer in effect Mike Brown Life is not meant to be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, parts totally worn out or replaced, and loudly proclaiming - WOW- WHAT A RIDE!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080502/2892180d/attachment.html From sh at actglobal.net Sat May 3 05:49:55 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 05:49:55 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Where in the world is Jen Kleck? Message-ID: <000601c8ad1c$3074ce30$915e6a90$@net> Click on the link below to see Jen's current location. Steve -----Original Message----- From: noreply at findmespot.com [mailto:noreply at findmespot.com] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:41 AM SPOT Check OK. ESN:0-7372448 Latitude:53.2932 Longitude:-4.6796 Nearest Location: Holyhead, United Kingdom Distance: 4 km(s) Time:05/03/2008 05:40:54 (US/Pacific) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=53.2932,-4.6796&ie=UTF8&z=1 2&om=1 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3072 (20080503) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3072 (20080503) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From strosaker at yahoo.com Sat May 3 19:55:47 2008 From: strosaker at yahoo.com (Duane Strosaker) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Southwind Kayak Extravaganza Report Message-ID: <509021.20550.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kayakers, I had a great time at the Southwind Kayak Extravaganza today. They are having a big sale this weekend, and many employees and reps are on hand to answer questions or just talk kayak. A big above ground pool is installed, and it was fun watching SKC employees Harold and George demonstrate paddle skills and rescues. Harold's paddle skills were flawless, and he did a great job of explaining what he was doing. George also did great explaining as he gave Harold a T-rescue. On the other hand, watching George try to climb back into a difficult SOT was a bit disturbing ;^). I even got to jump in and demonstrate a few G-style rolls. I barely pulled off a hand roll, which I came extremely close to missing and saved by hand sculling, plastering myself on the back deck, and throwing an arm over the side for counter balance. It's too bad Southwind can't have the pool there all the time. Henry and Kathy were handling the CKF both, and by answering questions and providing advice, were even responsible for boosting Southwind sales. Where's the commission? There were all kinds of good classes, including one from Kate, an editor at Canoe & Kayak, who gave some good info on taking photos from a kayak. The fun continues Sunday, and I'll be doing another Greenland ropes demonstration there at 1:00. http://southwindkayaks.com/Kayak_Extravaganza_2008.html Duane From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Sat May 3 21:43:56 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:43:56 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] Practice and Play Day at CIH Sunday May 4 Message-ID: I'll probably see you there too. I got back from the MidWest this morning, sans luggage. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:01:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lee at vgrp.com writes: Great! See you then. So far it is Peter O, me, Steve H, Bev W, Win A., Dick & Maryke. I'm sure others will join us as well. Best, Lee -----Original Message----- From: rebrannin at aol.com [mailto:rebrannin at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:36 PM To: lee at vgrp.com; info at list.ckf.org Subject: Re: [CKF Info] Practice and Play Day at CIH Sunday May 4 Lee, e Maryke and I plan on joining you all this Sunday. We have never seen the pond, let all played in it, so this will be a new experience for us. See you all at 8:30. (http://presence.webmail.aol.com/IM/?sn=rebrannin&locale=en-us&pd=0) Dick Brannin 818-545-9751 Home 818-291-3122 Cell -----Original Message----- From: Lee A. Shurie To: CKF Friends Email List References: <002d01c8a8e4$5c257e30$6402a8c0@LEESDELL> Message-ID: Hi lee. I hope to join you folks in the morning if my back cooperates. John From: lee at vgrp.comTo: info at list.ckf.orgDate: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:00:12 -0700Subject: [CKF Info] Practice and Play Day at CIH Sunday May 4 Peter O'Sullivan and I will be launching at 9:00 AM on Sunday May 4th for a practice and play day in the Pond. This is appropriate for all experience levels as long as you have the proper equipment and basic rescue skills. Equipment must include a PFD and a sprayskirt for closed deck boats. The agenda will depend on who shows up and the skills you want to learn or improve upon. It could be anything from basic strokes and edging to rescues or rolling. We'll meet at Kiddie Beach at CIH at 8:30 and launch at 9:00. Below is a link for directions to the launch point. http://ckf.org/putins/putin_details.asp?putinid=13 Best, Lee We are not professional guides or instructors. We will have experienced paddlers on this trip, but they will not be responsible for telling you what is or is not safe for you to do. We watch out for one another and assist one another, but all individuals are responsible for, and manage their own safety. This responsibility includes assessing your gear, skill level, and physical conditioning relative to conditions and location, as well as making decisions about what you will or will not do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080503/3d84b838/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080503/f90a9009/attachment.html From sh at actglobal.net Sun May 4 07:17:20 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:17:20 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Find Waldo, errr Jen Message-ID: <003201c8adf1$911f99b0$b35ecd10$@net> -----Original Message----- From: noreply at findmespot.com [mailto:noreply at findmespot.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:39 AM Subject: OK ESN:0-7372448 SPOT Check OK. ESN:0-7372448 Latitude:53.3198 Longitude:-4.6512 Nearest Location: Holyhead, United Kingdom Distance: 2 km(s) Time:05/04/2008 02:39:28 (US/Pacific) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=53.3198,-4.6512&ie=UTF8&z=1 2&om=1 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3072 (20080503) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3072 (20080503) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Sun May 4 15:21:11 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:21:11 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Day # 39, Matriculating at UHK Message-ID: 5/4/08 When you get to a certain age, regular school often isn't enough for you, so some of our group today enrolled in the University of Hard Knocks! It was an early start for what was to be a longish paddle to the Laguna environs. Ken and I left the Secret Beach early and met the rest of the group chomping at the bit at the coast guard beach. It was a nice crowd with Henry and Kathy, Dave O'Connor, Duane, BBBob McMurray and Steve Wilson joining in. The wind was quite a bit stiffer than what we were led to believe on the day and there was quite a bit of chop, so we had our work cut out for us. Of course, we were also led to believe we'd be paddling at a crossing pace, but Duane and Bob despite those skinny little paddles had everyone working hard to keep up. Dave and I were able to catch up to them just before we stopped to break at Crystal Cove to let everyone catch up and hydrate. You could tell that Steve was itching to paddle, because he didn't rest for long. While the rest of us drank, he headed in to shore to spend some time in the waves. As we continued south, we could see him floating over the waves, his rock star hair blowing in the wind. He was waiting a bit for us inside of Reef Point and as Duane and I grew closer, we were surprised to see him paddle between the two rocks, especially as a rather large set had come in. We paddled around half expecting some carnage, but he was happy and intact on the other side. I had almost mentioned to Duane that I find the outside area around RP more dangerous than the inside, but then things had settled down a bit so we seemed fine. Until...With Duane on my left, a wave decided to appear out of nowhere right on my beam. I don't know how high it was, but I know it was 16' 10" long, as it was the perfect size to try to take out my boat. I had no time to avoid it and planted a high brace as it broke into me. Perhaps a bit too high. I found myself upside down, a condition I like to call a "Libby" in honor of one of our newer CKF members. Now I figured we were probably safe from most of the rocks in the area, but it's hard to tell at Reef Point, but I took my time and rolled up-my first combat roll in my long boat. I basked in the cheers as we paddled on for Abalone Point. Once again Steve seemed to be ahead of us, lingering right at the edge of the reef at AP. Now this is an area I am always leery of as even in mild conditions it can be down right contrary. Duane had just mentioned that Steve was in a bad spot when a wave formed right on Steve's beam and despite a good brace sent him careening into the reef! He seemed to have been protected from his trip over the rocks by the amount of water in the wave, but now he was upside down in the churn and his roll failed him. He was now in the water with waves still rolling along each side of the reef. I headed in to the south side of reef to see if I could help, but with my hard to maneuver boat, I couldn't get close enough to help without becoming victim #2. Duane headed around from the north end and got to Steve toot sweet and held on to his boat while he did a quick reentry. But Steve's boat was still full of water and you could tell he wouldn't get far as unstable as he was. Dave headed in with his tow belt and hooked up to Duane to pull them to safety, while Steve started pumping frantically, their two boats rafted together. They were quickly out of harms way, but decided to land at a nearby cove to empty out the remaining water. Although close to our intended destination, we all seemed to agree that the adrenalin used up in the incident called for us to start home early. Steve seemed well recovered from his play time, but kept asea of any reefs on the paddle back. I took the inside passage home, soon to be joined by Bob and Duane, with an eye peeled for any more sneaker waves to catch us so close to shore. Time flew on the trip back and Steve voiced mock relief to be back in the harbor. When everyone comes back alive, you've got to admit that's a good paddle, especially if you decide to take to heart the lessons only hard knock can sometimes provide. It was not a paddle I'll soon forget! The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: A Post Mortem- I figure I better point out some of our mistakes made on this paddle before those who weren't there point out the glaring facts. I hope a few others on the paddle will add some choice words. Paddling in a group today, I was lulled into not wearing my helmet in areas I would normally have it on. Although conditions weren't really tough today, that tends to be the time you start to push the envelope a bit and then find yourself in trouble. Does the term "risk homeostasis" mean anything to you? Steve would be the first to admit now he should have had a helmet on, but today wasn't supposed to be a rock garden day. Perhaps he was trying to make up for missing Jack's paddle a while back. Although there didn't seem any obvious rocks in the area of the wave that got me, I figure there must have been something under the water to make it form right on my beam. Alone, I've conditioned myself to don my helmet at the mere hint of a rock or wave and I shouldn't have let the safety of a group deter me from my usual prudence. Steve took some chances paddling and hanging out where he did, but what better time to take such chances then with a group around to come to your rescue. But you have to realize the chance you are taking and a helmet should have been the order for the day for Steve. Once out of his boat, Steve maintained his composure which facilitated an easy rescue. And he never lost his rock star good looks, even with the hair a bit plastered down after his swim. Familiarity with rescues certainly helped and who better to come to your aid than Duane. With no injuries other than pride, everyone felt today was a great paddle with excitement to share for years to come. Sometimes the dividing line becomes a bit thin. Mark Sanders www.sandmarks # From hullcracker at yahoo.com Sun May 4 16:17:42 2008 From: hullcracker at yahoo.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Newport 5/4 Trip Report Message-ID: <81560.94029.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kathy, Henry, Ken, Bob, Mark, Dave, Duane, and Steve paddled briskly out of Newport harbor into some moderately choppy water and head winds this morning. We were headed down toward Laguna. We were out to log some miles. Crossing season is coming. I needed to get the cob webs out. I've paddled once since the first week in February (strike one). Saturday I made new heal pads for the Mariner II. I took out the seat that I had carefully customized to hold my hips and cheeks just right. I wanted to try just the thinest piece of foam (strike two). It felt OK sitting in the grass at home for a moment. By the time we pulled out of the jetty my butt was missing it's form fitting friend. Once we were out in the chop I noticed how lose I was in the cock pit. It's like a big lose shoe. At the launch site I discovered that my paddles were still at home (strike three) (but we've got more to go). I borrowed an old euro paddle from Dave O. I've been paddling exclusively Greenland for some time now. I have a nice new blister. Once you've gone wood it's hard to go back. We launched about five minutes early. I paddle without a front bulk head (always have). I have never ever failed to fill the giant float bag in the front compartment before today (strike four). The float bag was about 1/3 full, enough to float the boat but not able to displace much water. At reef point I was a little ahead of the group. I stopped next to the slot and watched some big sets roll through. There was a lull in the sets so I paddled through (strike five). Half way through I though this isn't real smart. I don't have a helmet, and my boat is fitting sloppy. I timed it right and made it through the confused water fine. I don't know if Duane and Mark went inside or not. Just past reef point I looked over to see mark slapped over by a wave. He was in close quarters with Duane but rolled right up completing his second combat roll. Wat to go Mark. After five strikes I should be out already. At Abalone point I was just outside the rocks but as it turns out way to close (strike six). I was nailed by a wave and taken right over the rocks. The back of my PFD racked over the rocks (nice scratch marks). I did keep my head on the deck instinctively or this could have been very bad. My paddle hit some rocks as I was setting up. I bailed out. I new this was a bad spot. I didn't expect anyone to come in after me. It's not a good idea to endanger another paddler. I stared swimming the boat out of the rocks. I looked up and there was a Bright Red Point Bennett beside me. I never let go of my boat or my paddle. In seconds I was back in the boat. Duane was holding our boats together, Dave was towing us out, and I was pumping away. Just like old times. Usually we were just practicing. Duane and I both pumped for a while but with the float bag under inflated in the long bow of this 18' boat I decided to land in the next cove to dump out the water. I had a great ride in and a good landing even with the water inside. After I dumped the water and paddled out through the breakers we decided we had all had enough excitement for the day. We paddled back uneventfully. Some of us went over to Southwind. Duane put on an excellent rolling demo. He then did the ropes. By then we were all tired. Duane had a full morning, Dave was jet lagged, and I went home, put my custom seat back in the, my paddles are in the boat, and I will be out paddling every week, practicing my rolls on both sides. Steve W --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080504/5f799a71/attachment.htm From strosaker at yahoo.com Sun May 4 16:27:02 2008 From: strosaker at yahoo.com (Duane Strosaker) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Day # 39, Matriculating at UHK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <463497.24000.qm@web50603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark and All, Nice report! It was an exciting day, and these little adventures is why I love sea kayaking so much. You never know what's going to happen. I was about 15 feet to the left of Mark when the wave broke over the reef at Reef Point and a 3-4 foot wall of whitewash hit him. At first I thought he was going to side surf and slam into me, but he stalled out and went upside down despite bracing into the wave. I was hoping he'd keep his cool and roll up, and sure enough, he did. It was pretty cool watching the whole thing from so close. Steve Wilson sure looked beautiful for a split second while he was in that wave over the reef at Abalone Point. It looked like about a 4 footer. He made an attempt at a roll but came out. Knowing the reef pretty well, I knew there was a small but choppy safe zone between the reef and point where he'd wash out, so I paddled around the reef to be ready to help. By the time I got to Steve, he already had a plan and was swimming his way out, which was going to take some time. I came in to offer Steve a side-by-side assist back into his kayak. The first thing I asked him was if he had his paddle and he did, which made things so much easier and showed his experience with practicing rescues. With the side-by-side assist, Steve was back in the kayak so quickly that I can't even remember him doing it. It turned out the front float bag of his Mariner was only half inflated, so there was a ton of water in the kayak. We agreed to see if Steve could paddle himself into calmer water to make dumping or pumping easier, but with so much water in the kayak and 3 foot chop from surf breaking over the reef, he was unstable, bracing like crazy, and about to go back into the water, so I rafted back up with him. I remember noticing Dublin Dave wearing a tow belt around his waist earlier that morning, so I called him into our small safe zone to tow us out. Dublin quickly came in, hooked us up, and as he towed us out, Steve and I took turns pumping. Once enough water was pumped for Steve to be stable, he landed through 4 foot surf to dump the rest of the water out on the beach and launched to rejoin the group. I guess Steve had a close encounter with the rocks on the reef. He later mentioned that he felt the paddle hit the rocks as he went over, but didn't see any damage to the paddle. Then someone else in the group, maybe Kathy, noticed cuts in the back of his PFD, which were apparently from the rocks. But Steve didn't remember feeling any impact on his back. Duane Southern California From FryCat at aol.com Sun May 4 16:53:10 2008 From: FryCat at aol.com (FryCat at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:53:10 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] Day # 39, Matriculating at UHK Message-ID: For those who aren't old enough to remember, there was an old man who greeted people as they entered Laguna Beach. He was called "The Greeter" and there is a bronze statue of him located in the downtown area. What folks don't know is that he is still alive and is just offshore in the form of a reef. Mark and Steve met the Greeter this morning. As I was viewing all this carnage, I was wishing I had the Explorer instead of the carbon EPIC. The visual of chunks of carbon floating down to meet the Greeter was more than this old man could handle. Consequently, when I went to the Southwind sales event today, I went straight to the booth that sale helmets. Ken In a message dated 5/4/2008 3:21:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sandmarks at ca.rr.com writes: 5/4/08 When you get to a certain age, regular school often isn't enough for you, so some of our group today enrolled in the University of Hard Knocks! It was an early start for what was to be a longish paddle to the Laguna environs. Ken and I left the Secret Beach early and met the rest of the group chomping at the bit at the coast guard beach. It was a nice crowd with Henry and Kathy, Dave O'Connor, Duane, BBBob McMurray and Steve Wilson joining in. The wind was quite a bit stiffer than what we were led to believe on the day and there was quite a bit of chop, so we had our work cut out for us. Of course, we were also led to believe we'd be paddling at a crossing pace, but Duane and Bob despite those skinny little paddles had everyone working hard to keep up. Dave and I were able to catch up to them just before we stopped to break at Crystal Cove to let everyone catch up and hydrate. You could tell that Steve was itching to paddle, because he didn't rest for long. While the rest of us drank, he headed in to shore to spend some time in the waves. As we continued south, we could see him floating over the waves, his rock star hair blowing in the wind. He was waiting a bit for us inside of Reef Point and as Duane and I grew closer, we were surprised to see him paddle between the two rocks, especially as a rather large set had come in. We paddled around half expecting some carnage, but he was happy and intact on the other side. I had almost mentioned to Duane that I find the outside area around RP more dangerous than the inside, but then things had settled down a bit so we seemed fine. Until...With Duane on my left, a wave decided to appear out of nowhere right on my beam. I don't know how high it was, but I know it was 16' 10" long, as it was the perfect size to try to take out my boat. I had no time to avoid it and planted a high brace as it broke into me. Perhaps a bit too high. I found myself upside down, a condition I like to call a "Libby" in honor of one of our newer CKF members. Now I figured we were probably safe from most of the rocks in the area, but it's hard to tell at Reef Point, but I took my time and rolled up-my first combat roll in my long boat. I basked in the cheers as we paddled on for Abalone Point. Once again Steve seemed to be ahead of us, lingering right at the edge of the reef at AP. Now this is an area I am always leery of as even in mild conditions it can be down right contrary. Duane had just mentioned that Steve was in a bad spot when a wave formed right on Steve's beam and despite a good brace sent him careening into the reef! He seemed to have been protected from his trip over the rocks by the amount of water in the wave, but now he was upside down in the churn and his roll failed him. He was now in the water with waves still rolling along each side of the reef. I headed in to the south side of reef to see if I could help, but with my hard to maneuver boat, I couldn't get close enough to help without becoming victim #2. Duane headed around from the north end and got to Steve toot sweet and held on to his boat while he did a quick reentry. But Steve's boat was still full of water and you could tell he wouldn't get far as unstable as he was. Dave headed in with his tow belt and hooked up to Duane to pull them to safety, while Steve started pumping frantically, their two boats rafted together. They were quickly out of harms way, but decided to land at a nearby cove to empty out the remaining water. Although close to our intended destination, we all seemed to agree that the adrenalin used up in the incident called for us to start home early. Steve seemed well recovered from his play time, but kept asea of any reefs on the paddle back. I took the inside passage home, soon to be joined by Bob and Duane, with an eye peeled for any more sneaker waves to catch us so close to shore. Time flew on the trip back and Steve voiced mock relief to be back in the harbor. When everyone comes back alive, you've got to admit that's a good paddle, especially if you decide to take to heart the lessons only hard knock can sometimes provide. It was not a paddle I'll soon forget! The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: A Post Mortem- I figure I better point out some of our mistakes made on this paddle before those who weren't there point out the glaring facts. I hope a few others on the paddle will add some choice words. Paddling in a group today, I was lulled into not wearing my helmet in areas I would normally have it on. Although conditions weren't really tough today, that tends to be the time you start to push the envelope a bit and then find yourself in trouble. Does the term "risk homeostasis" mean anything to you? Steve would be the first to admit now he should have had a helmet on, but today wasn't supposed to be a rock garden day. Perhaps he was trying to make up for missing Jack's paddle a while back. Although there didn't seem any obvious rocks in the area of the wave that got me, I figure there must have been something under the water to make it form right on my beam. Alone, I've conditioned myself to don my helmet at the mere hint of a rock or wave and I shouldn't have let the safety of a group deter me from my usual prudence. Steve took some chances paddling and hanging out where he did, but what better time to take such chances then with a group around to come to your rescue. But you have to realize the chance you are taking and a helmet should have been the order for the day for Steve. Once out of his boat, Steve maintained his composure which facilitated an easy rescue. And he never lost his rock star good looks, even with the hair a bit plastered down after his swim. Familiarity with rescues certainly helped and who better to come to your aid than Duane. With no injuries other than pride, everyone felt today was a great paddle with excitement to share for years to come. Sometimes the dividing line becomes a bit thin. Mark Sanders www.sandmarks # _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080504/d8240c3a/attachment-0001.html From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Sun May 4 17:54:43 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:54:43 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray Message-ID: Anyone paddle the plastic Valley Skerray? Any opinions on the boat? From macgrzly at pacbell.net Sun May 4 20:12:47 2008 From: macgrzly at pacbell.net (Jack Brisley) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:12:47 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006f01c8ae5d$e53ad9d0$afb08d70$@net> That's a really funny question!!!!! Anyone who knows me, knows that I think that's the best rock gardening boat on the planet and I buy any that come my way because they aren't made any more. I've got 4. But that's just my take on it. There you are. Not too opinionated on that boat eh? JB -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sanders Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:55 PM To: 'CKF Discussions' Cc: PaddleWise Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray Anyone paddle the plastic Valley Skerray? Any opinions on the boat? _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From sh at actglobal.net Sun May 4 20:47:11 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:47:11 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101c8ae62$b48f3010$1dad9030$@net> Mark, Unless you have a particular boat in mind, check out the Capella RM 166. I LOVE mine. The initial stability is fairly good and the secondary is much better than my Gulfstream ever was (although not quite as good as my Foster Shadow). The boat maneuvers well on edge and is fast. Plus the best part is there is plenty of room in there for people our size. Steve __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3073 (20080505) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From macgrzly at pacbell.net Sun May 4 21:03:32 2008 From: macgrzly at pacbell.net (Jack Brisley) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:03:32 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007501c8ae64$fc5bdae0$f51390a0$@net> Maybe I should clarify the "funny" part of the remark. Anyone who knows me, know I rant about my perception of the boats qualities. I have yet to Succeed in convincing a single person into purchasing one. I may rant but I'm still the only I know who paddles one. Must be an unconvincing rant Or it's a cult boat. On the other hand it is a smallish boat and does not fit everyone. Oh well. JB -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sanders Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:55 PM To: 'CKF Discussions' Cc: PaddleWise Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray Anyone paddle the plastic Valley Skerray? Any opinions on the boat? _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From lee at vgrp.com Sun May 4 21:26:46 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:26:46 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CIH Practice and Play Day Message-ID: <003001c8ae68$3abd3790$6402a8c0@LEESDELL> We had 12 participants at today's practice and play session at Channel Islands Harbor. Bev Waldron, Dick and Maryke Brannin, Chris Wood, Patrick Martin, George Miller, Peter O'Sullivan, John Petersen, Win Aldrich, Paul Jonason, John Ernst, and me. Carol Miller joined us afterward for lunch. We launched at 9 AM and headed to the Pond where we broke up into small groups to work on various skills. Because several group members were trying new skills we had our share of challenges, but we found those to be good learning opportunities for everyone involved. We even ended up improvising in some cases to get people back into their boats. After a couple hours most were getting tired and chilly and we split up. Some of us played in the surf and paddled out to the breakwater. Some landed for a break while they warmed up. A little after noon we called it a day and headed in to the beach. Afterward we shared stories and good food at Daddio's. Thanks to Peter O'Sullivan for leading and organizing and to everyone who came out to learn new skills or to help others. Best, Lee Lee A. Shurie, President, Vision Technologies Group 450 North Brand Blvd., Suite 600, Glendale, CA 91203 818-291-6263 ------------- 818-276-1556 (fax) mailto:lee at vgrp.com --- http://www.vgrp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080504/d2ab61f7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080504/d2ab61f7/attachment.gif From Captainkayak at earthlink.net Sun May 4 21:55:52 2008 From: Captainkayak at earthlink.net (P Martin) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:55:52 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: Today we had a well attended practice session in the Pond at Channel Islands Harbor. And I expect that everyone who got involved learned a lesson or two. Fortunately, since conditions were benign, the price tags for our lessons did not include too much of a risk factor. My lessons involved a bit of complacency. Most of the Old Farts that I paddle with are frequently flopping about in the water, practicing a variety of braces and rolls. So today when I saw one of them on his side, I thought he was practicing. I even commented that he was taking his bracing practice to a bit of an extreme because he was doing it in the area of the Pond we call the Crazy Water where tricky wave activity converges from multiple directions. The two of us spectators actually expected our friend to roll up at any second. What we didn't realize is that his roll had failed and he was actually using his paddle to hold himself up by poling off the bottom. When the next wave hit he went under. Still we expected him to roll up. We were surprised when he did a wet exit. We had become so accustomed to his rolling ability that it had not occurred to us he was having a problem. After he popped his spray skirt, I figured he would walk his boat to shore since he was in shallow water. But he didn't, instead he held onto his boat and paddle and stayed in the crazy water with waves converging at random intervals. It was then that it finally occurred to me that he might need an assist. It also occurred to me that the crazy water could complicate things. I padded over to join my friend and found that he did want help. The current was so strong that he couldn't make his way to shore, and he was already starting to feel cold. For a moment I considered towing him out of the crazy water. But the way the waves were breaking worried me. Trying to tow someone through surf can be difficult. With the added drag of a swimmer there is a good chance of getting stalled in the surf zone and then getting surfed backwards onto the victim and his boat. The tow rope can even create an entanglement risk. The solution we chose was to raft up to assist him back into his boat as quickly as possible. This was another occasion where all our practice sessions paid off. My friend handed me his paddle and then launched himself out of the water and into his cockpit very quickly. A moment later he had secured his spray skirt and the two of us were paddling to calmer water. My lessons learned: 1) Even advanced paddlers sometimes get into trouble in the surf zone. If someone appears to be stretching his limits, don't assume that it's intentional. Be ready to help if you can. 2) There is no such thing as too much practice. I've learned something every time I've practiced with my friends. I really want to thank everyone who participated in today's practice session. Not only were there several valuable learning experiences, you guys made it lots of fun. Patrick Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Mon May 5 07:02:55 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:02:55 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] UHK yearbook Message-ID: Couple picks of Steve from yesterday -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steve1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 72234 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/9ae744ae/attachment-0002.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steve2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 68119 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/9ae744ae/attachment-0003.jpg From silidriel at prodigy.net.mx Mon May 5 08:21:26 2008 From: silidriel at prodigy.net.mx (Rafael en prodigy) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:21:26 -0500 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c8aec3$af731630$0e594290$@net.mx> Hi Patrick, There were two incidents of going over reported by you guys in Ca this weekend. It is so good that nothing bad happened. Good mention is made about the advantages of practice and how fortunately and easily things got resolved. I was wondering, though, that in these and other reports no mention is made of a paddlefloat, and the possibility of a paddlefloat rescue or paddlefloat reentry and roll. My question is: in the regular rescue practices that you all make, do you include the paddlefloat as a rescue tool in any of its forms? And I mention it because it is very useful to me, and even in the case of weakness that I found myself in at The Sea of Cortes Crossing, after my second capsize and failed roll I was back on my boat before assistance arrived. With the pf I can paddle slowly but can move and stay balanced while I empty the boat. This is possible because my pf has bag only on one side. So I am an advocate of the paddlefloat as a contingency resource. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 6:01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/0ddf76a9/attachment.html From MSBrannin at aol.com Mon May 5 08:33:31 2008 From: MSBrannin at aol.com (MSBrannin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:33:31 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] CIH Practice and Play Day Message-ID: Thank you Lee, and Peter and all of you Braves who were willing to share your knowledge and skills, stories and PATIENCE. So nice to meet all of you. I was so impressed and humbled once again. Thanks Bev for being there, us gals have to stick and shiver together. I would love to be back and do this again if you all let me. But first some push ups and may be some testosterone? Daddy-O's was the BEST! Thanks again for a super day...I'll be back, Maryke Brannin In a message dated 5/4/2008 9:27:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lee at vgrp.com writes: We had 12 participants at today's practice and play session at Channel Islands Harbor. Bev Waldron, Dick and Maryke Brannin, Chris Wood, Patrick Martin, George Miller, Peter O'Sullivan, John Petersen, Win Aldrich, Paul Jonason, John Ernst, and me. Carol Miller joined us afterward for lunch. We launched at 9 AM and headed to the Pond where we broke up into small groups to work on various skills. Because several group members were trying new skills we had our share of challenges, but we found those to be good learning opportunities for everyone involved. We even ended up improvising in some cases to get people back into their boats. After a couple hours most were getting tired and chilly and we split up. Some of us played in the surf and paddled out to the breakwater. Some landed for a break while they warmed up. A little after noon we called it a day and headed in to the beach. Afterward we shared stories and good food at Daddio's. Thanks to Peter O'Sullivan for leading and organizing and to everyone who came out to learn new skills or to help others. Best, Lee (http://www.vgrp.com/) Lee A. Shurie, President, Vision Technologies Group 450 North Brand Blvd., Suite 600, Glendale, CA 91203 818-291-6263 ------------- 818-276-1556 (fax)_ mailto:lee at vgrp.com_ (mailto:lee at vgrp.com) --- _http://www.vgrp.com_ (http://www.vgrp.com/) _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/45470f87/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/45470f87/attachment.gif From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Mon May 5 09:00:09 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:00:09 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: I agree with you, Rafael. Even if someone can roll, there are multiple circumstances when it may not work: - Very rough seas, strong winds - Injury - Excessive boat damage I never go out without my paddle float. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:22:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, silidriel at prodigy.net.mx writes: Hi Patrick, There were two incidents of going over reported by you guys in Ca this weekend. It is so good that nothing bad happened. Good mention is made about the advantages of practice and how fortunately and easily things got resolved. I was wondering, though, that in these and other reports no mention is made of a paddlefloat, and the possibility of a paddlefloat rescue or paddlefloat reentry and roll. My question is: in the regular rescue practices that you all make, do you include the paddlefloat as a rescue tool in any of its forms? And I mention it because it is very useful to me, and even in the case of weakness that I found myself in at The Sea of Cortes Crossing, after my second capsize and failed roll I was back on my boat before assistance arrived. With the pf I can paddle slowly but can move and stay balanced while I empty the boat. This is possible because my pf has bag only on one side. So I am an advocate of the paddlefloat as a contingency resource. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/48e31d42/attachment-0001.htm From silidriel at prodigy.net.mx Mon May 5 10:28:00 2008 From: silidriel at prodigy.net.mx (Rafael en prodigy) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:28:00 -0500 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: <001c01c8aeca$5d971b70$6796a8c0@FTC4605> References: <000901c8aec3$af731630$0e594290$@net.mx> <001c01c8aeca$5d971b70$6796a8c0@FTC4605> Message-ID: <002d01c8aed5$7f933500$7eb99f00$@net.mx> HI Dee Ann, I`ll be happy to answer. Once on the boat I have both hands free. I made up a simple system that you can see at: HYPERLINK "http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/83591736KDoZAK"http://outdoors.webshots. com/album/83591736KDoZAK please look in the final pictures the device to hold the paddle. It is just a string and a cam-cleat. The left blade goes under the left high brace. The right blade has the paddlefloat and the shaft is fixed to the right coaming with the string. (You can release the string instantly). So, no matter how much you lean towards the pf, the boat will hold and you can empty the boat, take pictures or have lunch. It is called the Mexican Rescue Technique. It works very well. Hope you like it. Best Regards, Rafael. Mexico. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 6:01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/3312b865/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: contrapeso de pala extendida03.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14081 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/3312b865/attachment.jpg From Captainkayak at earthlink.net Mon May 5 14:42:10 2008 From: Captainkayak at earthlink.net (P Martin) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:42:10 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: <000901c8aec3$af731630$0e594290$@net.mx> References: <000901c8aec3$af731630$0e594290$@net.mx> Message-ID: <6A5AEB14E28D45CC81CAE65310AFA7FC@PatrickPC> Hi Rafael, We do include paddlefloat rescues in our practice sessions. Yesterday we spent quite a bit of time working on paddlefloat reentries. And most of us do carry paddle floats with us. Unfortunately some people are not strong enough to pull themselves up onto their boats by themselves, so a paddle float rescue will not work for them. Also paddle float rescues take much longer to do than assisted rescues. In rough waters I prefer techniques which get the paddler back in their boat as quickly as possible. Getting a person back in their boat quickly is also important when dealing with cold water and the threat of hypothermia. I like the underwater reentry and roll in rough waters because it reduces the risk of boats getting tossed into each other. Once a paddler has learned how to roll, the paddle float is generally not needed and just adds time to the process. Yet, if you are paddling solo, a paddle float might be your last line of defense. Paddlefloats can also be used to stabilize a boat if someone gets sea sick or incapacitated. All the best, Patrick Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rafael en prodigy To: 'P Martin' ; ckf at paddlewise.net Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Hi Patrick, There were two incidents of going over reported by you guys in Ca this weekend. It is so good that nothing bad happened. Good mention is made about the advantages of practice and how fortunately and easily things got resolved. I was wondering, though, that in these and other reports no mention is made of a paddlefloat, and the possibility of a paddlefloat rescue or paddlefloat reentry and roll. My question is: in the regular rescue practices that you all make, do you include the paddlefloat as a rescue tool in any of its forms? And I mention it because it is very useful to me, and even in the case of weakness that I found myself in at The Sea of Cortes Crossing, after my second capsize and failed roll I was back on my boat before assistance arrived. With the pf I can paddle slowly but can move and stay balanced while I empty the boat. This is possible because my pf has bag only on one side. So I am an advocate of the paddlefloat as a contingency resource. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 6:01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/eb691549/attachment.htm From mustangtraveler at aol.com Mon May 5 16:32:13 2008 From: mustangtraveler at aol.com (mustangtraveler at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 19:32:13 -0400 Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray In-Reply-To: <007501c8ae64$fc5bdae0$f51390a0$@net> References: <007501c8ae64$fc5bdae0$f51390a0$@net> Message-ID: <8CA7D1F6175F397-E4C-39A7@webmail-nd21.sysops.aol.com> Correction or qualification... Jack has the RM but as he knows, I paddle the glass version.? I have played in Baja, up the CA coast and guided in it in the San Juans.? I now have access to the hand full of PT65 boats in my garage, but when the conditions are right, I love my Skerray.? After being in SF with Jen K. it has new patch work and it def looks used. It maybe slow but it is reliable in nasty fun stuff.? May not be my first choice for most folk. ?In reference to the small cockpit opening... a point should be made... I'm am built more like Jack then I am Steve, no offenses intended. Good luck Mark, Jont White Skerray www.sierraelevation.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brisley To: 'Mark Sanders' ; 'CKF Discussions' Cc: 'PaddleWise' Sent: Sun, 4 May 2008 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [CKF Info] RM Skerray Maybe I should clarify the "funny" part of the remark. Anyone who knows me, know I rant about my perception of the boats qualities. I have yet to Succeed in convincing a single person into purchasing one. I may rant but I'm still the only I know who paddles one. Must be an unconvincing rant Or it's a cult boat. On the other hand it is a smallish boat and does not fit everyone. Oh well. JB -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sanders Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:55 PM To: 'CKF Discussions' Cc: PaddleWise Subject: [CKF Info] RM Skerray Anyone paddle the plastic Valley Skerray? Any opinions on the boat? _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/2cdb3db6/attachment.htm From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Mon May 5 17:43:28 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:43:28 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: <6A5AEB14E28D45CC81CAE65310AFA7FC@PatrickPC> Message-ID: I admit to an inherent bias, but the photo of Steve and Duane together illustrates why I have an electric bilge pump in my boat. Alone on the water in rough conditions it would be practically impossible to pump out your boat alone. Once Steve was in his boat, he was unable to make forward progress as unstable as he was. With an electric pump emptying your boat, you can concentrate on remaining upright. Steve's swim also shows why I like a bow line on my boat. I can keep hold of my boat from a safer distance and helps me swim away from danger. I still wonder why they're not more utilized. Mark -----Original Message----- I like the underwater reentry and roll in rough waters because it reduces the risk of boats getting tossed into each other. Once a paddler has learned how to roll, the paddle float is generally not needed and just adds time to the process. Yet, if you are paddling solo, a paddle float might be your last line of defense. Paddlefloats can also be used to stabilize a boat if someone gets sea sick or incapacitated. Patrick Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/a8848348/attachment.html From hullcracker at yahoo.com Mon May 5 20:23:52 2008 From: hullcracker at yahoo.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Cabrillo Paddle Saurday 5/10 Message-ID: <470369.80450.qm@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kayakers, Dave O'Connor and I will be launching from Cabrillo at 8:00 AM Saturday 5/10. We will be paddling sea kayaks but may surf a little if it's good, do some rolling and head on up towards Smugglers Cove. Plans are lose. We will decide that Saturday morning based on conditions and what the group feels like doing. Steve --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/7c60414f/attachment.htm From sh at actglobal.net Mon May 5 20:52:21 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:52:21 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Paddle on Mother's Day Message-ID: <000001c8af2c$96907310$c3b15930$@net> Peter O'Sullivan and I will paddling from Channel Islands Harbor to Oil Platform Gina on Sunday, May 11. Originally I thought I wouldn't be paddling that day, but Robin said the best Mother's Day gift from me would be for me to go paddle and let her sleep as long as she liked. You don't have to tell me twice. The trip to Gina will be at an easy pace so people with brand new closed deck boats won't have any trouble keeping up with us - Bev, that means we expect to see you join us. LOL. Neither Peter nor I are professional kayakers or guides and we cannot be responsible for you. All paddlers are responsible for insuring their equipment and skills are suitable for this trip. We do not paddle with people that don't wear skirts (closed deck boats only) or pfds though. We will meet at 8:30 with a launch time of 9:00 AM. Please RSVP so we know who to look for. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would love to be back and do this again if you all let me. But first some push ups and may be some testosterone? Daddy-O's was the BEST! Thanks again for a super day...I'll be back, Maryke Brannin In a message dated 5/4/2008 9:27:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lee at vgrp.com writes: We had 12 participants at today's practice and play session at Channel Islands Harbor. Bev Waldron, Dick and Maryke Brannin, Chris Wood, Patrick Martin, George Miller, Peter O'Sullivan, John Petersen, Win Aldrich, Paul Jonason, John Ernst, and me. Carol Miller joined us afterward for lunch. We launched at 9 AM and headed to the Pond where we broke up into small groups to work on various skills. Because several group members were trying new skills we had our share of challenges, but we found those to be good learning opportunities for everyone involved. We even ended up improvising in some cases to get people back into their boats. After a couple hours most were getting tired and chilly and we split up. Some of us played in the surf and paddled out to the breakwater. Some landed for a break while they warmed up. A little after noon we called it a day and headed in to the beach. Afterward we shared stories and good food at Daddio's. Thanks to Peter O'Sullivan for leading and organizing and to everyone who came out to learn new skills or to help others. Best, Lee http://www.vgrp.com/ Lee A. Shurie, President, Vision Technologies Group 450 North Brand Blvd., Suite 600, Glendale, CA 91203 818-291-6263 ------------- 818-276-1556 (fax) mailto:lee at vgrp.com --- http://www.vgrp.com _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Anthony Turner" Subject: [news-l] For Immediate Release: NOT ALL BOATNG ACCIDENTS HAPPEN ON THE WATER Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:58:57 -0700 Size: 119226 Url: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080505/e7757fca/attachment-0001.mht From Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com Tue May 6 07:29:31 2008 From: Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com (Jeff Libby) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:29:31 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48206B4B.2050709@LibbyFamily.Com> Mark Sanders wrote: > I admit to an inherent bias, but the photo of Steve and Duane together > illustrates why I have an electric bilge pump in my boat. Alone on the > water in rough conditions it would be practically impossible to pump out > your boat alone. Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Tue May 6 08:16:05 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:16:05 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: <48206B4B.2050709@LibbyFamily.Com> Message-ID: Jeff, Sure that works in the best of circumstances, but in our little scenario on Sunday we had one guy towing one guy pumping and one guy stabilizing his boat--mostly to get him out of harms way quicker. If your paddling in calm or safe area and go over, you'll probably do fine with the paddle float stabilizing you. Even with an electric pump it would help till the pump got out enough water. But if you go over around rocks and waves, they may not wait for you to be ready before they send in round two. Practice a PF rescue and boat pumping session and then envision being at Abalone Point with waves crashing and rocks around you. You'll probably realize time is not on your side. And since you are new and I haven't ranted about my second pet safety peeve for a while, I'll do so now! I carry an inflatable paddlefloat, wouldn't leave home without it. But back in the day when I wasn't such an amazing roller, I'd never use it for a rescue. I would use the foam float that I made from a small kick board. http://www.sandmarks.net/paddlefloat.html Hardly any time to deploy, no giant sack to fill with water and leaves your paddle freer to be used for what it was meant to be, a paddle. My safety strategy for paddling alone was an electric pump and paddle float reentry roll using my easy to use board. The paddle float reentry roll is easy peezy, but leaves you with more water in your boat, but that wasn't a big deal with my pump. Hope to see you on the water to practice some wet stuff. Maybe we can do a Saturday practice soon. Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). Regards, -Jeff From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Tue May 6 08:19:18 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:19:18 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: Jeff: It adds another point of failure, but doesn't weaken the chain, because you can still pump and you can still paddle float-- so it is a net advantage. The weight and space increase is not very significant. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 7:30:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com writes: Mark Sanders wrote: > I admit to an inherent bias, but the photo of Steve and Duane together > illustrates why I have an electric bilge pump in my boat. Alone on the > water in rough conditions it would be practically impossible to pump out > your boat alone. Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/66c5cdd3/attachment.html From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Tue May 6 09:09:05 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:09:05 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I should have added that I always carry a spare hand pump for back up, but I have to say I've been amazed at the reliability of my home made system. Other than making sure to charge the battery, it has required minimal maintenance. My old battery was a lug at @ 3lbs, but the new one I use in only @ 1lb. Mark -----Original Message----- It adds another point of failure, but doesn't weaken the chain, because you can still pump and you can still paddle float-- so it is a net advantage. The weight and space increase is not very significant. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/6a0d4fae/attachment.htm From Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com Tue May 6 09:19:09 2008 From: Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com (Jeff Libby) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:19:09 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: <482084FD.1020103@LibbyFamily.Com> Mark Sanders wrote: > wait for you to be ready before they send in round two. Practice a PF rescue > and boat pumping session and then envision being at Abalone Point with waves > crashing and rocks around you. You'll probably realize time is not on your > side. Aaaah I see, that makes sense. I guess as long as you have a backup hand pump in case the electric goes south then all is well. I'll have to take a closer look at your electric pump writeup on your website. I know it would have made life a lot easier for me when I was in San O last month. Talk about self-rescue practice!! > http://www.sandmarks.net/paddlefloat.html Yeah, I've seen that and like the idea of not having to huff and puff and try to keep from inhaling sea water while you blow up the PF. > Hope to see you on the water to practice some wet stuff. Maybe we can do a > Saturday practice soon. Absolutely! If you guys do a Saturday practice you can count me in for sure! (or a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, or Friday practice for that matter - yes, my wife rocks!). Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Tue May 6 09:36:09 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:36:09 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: I once had to do a paddle float self rescue in 20 ft seas/30+ kt winds, off Sonoma County (see trip report "Salt Point Saga" circa 2000). My newly acquired roll failed me in those conditions and it was too rough to cowboy back into my Perception Pirouette. An electric pump would have made a reentry roll much more practical. The paddle float technique stabilized the boat well, although it took me a couple of tries to initially get back in. I tried to keep the float deployed while pumping out, with Paul holding on to help stabilize me for a while. Another guy, Sid, whose kayak sank in over 100 ft. of water, was causing me problems while grabbing my boat in panic, until Mike Higgins took him away. Some may ask, what the h___ were we doing out in 20 ft. seas? Read the trip report. I also had to use a paddle float to get back in not long after I got out of a three week vacation in the hospital with an elbow operation and stomach problems. Always bring a paddle float and pump with you while out in your sea kayak. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 8:44:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sandmarks at ca.rr.com writes: Jeff, Sure that works in the best of circumstances, but in our little scenario on Sunday we had one guy towing one guy pumping and one guy stabilizing his boat--mostly to get him out of harms way quicker. If your paddling in calm or safe area and go over, you'll probably do fine with the paddle float stabilizing you. Even with an electric pump it would help till the pump got out enough water. But if you go over around rocks and waves, they may not wait for you to be ready before they send in round two. Practice a PF rescue and boat pumping session and then envision being at Abalone Point with waves crashing and rocks around you. You'll probably realize time is not on your side. And since you are new and I haven't ranted about my second pet safety peeve for a while, I'll do so now! I carry an inflatable paddlefloat, wouldn't leave home without it. But back in the day when I wasn't such an amazing roller, I'd never use it for a rescue. I would use the foam float that I made from a small kick board. http://www.sandmarks.net/paddlefloat.html Hardly any time to deploy, no giant sack to fill with water and leaves your paddle freer to be used for what it was meant to be, a paddle. My safety strategy for paddling alone was an electric pump and paddle float reentry roll using my easy to use board. The paddle float reentry roll is easy peezy, but leaves you with more water in your boat, but that wasn't a big deal with my pump. Hope to see you on the water to practice some wet stuff. Maybe we can do a Saturday practice soon. Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). Regards, -Jeff _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/c631fdcf/attachment.html From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Tue May 6 09:39:06 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:39:06 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: Jeff: I don't have an electric pump because of all the complexity, but I must admit that it adds a margin of safety. I know enough about Mark to know that he is no fool. Carry your pump and paddle float no matter what, though! Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 8:33:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com writes: MicroCapMaven at aol.com wrote: > *It adds another point of failure, but doesn't weaken the chain, because > you can still pump and you can still paddle float-- so it is a net > advantage. The weight and space increase is not very significant.* Makes sense. Thanks George! Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/f3a899fc/attachment-0001.htm From Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com Tue May 6 10:02:01 2008 From: Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com (Jeff Libby) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:02:01 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48208F09.1040101@LibbyFamily.Com> MicroCapMaven at aol.com wrote: > *Some may ask, what the h___ were we doing out in 20 ft. seas? Read the > trip report.* http://www.ckf.org/Reports/2001/01-01-14-SaltPointSaga.htm Wow, you guys were blessed to make it out of there alive! Do you use float bags in your kayak now after this experience? It sounds like this could have made things a lot easier for Sid and all involved. Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Tue May 6 10:35:05 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:35:05 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: Jeff: Yes, I have float bags. Overdressing might have saved Sid's life. Some people accuse me of being over-equipped, with knives, flares, GPS, etc., but they can be useful. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 10:02:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jeff at LibbyFamily.Com writes: MicroCapMaven at aol.com wrote: > *Some may ask, what the h___ were we doing out in 20 ft. seas? Read the > trip report.* http://www.ckf.org/Reports/2001/01-01-14-SaltPointSaga.htm Wow, you guys were blessed to make it out of there alive! Do you use float bags in your kayak now after this experience? It sounds like this could have made things a lot easier for Sid and all involved. Regards, -Jeff -- Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/3fe7df69/attachment.htm From hullcracker at yahoo.com Tue May 6 12:17:52 2008 From: hullcracker at yahoo.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <271014.84875.qm@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, I think we can take some of our CKF trip report adventures and make our own version of the book "Deep Trouble". We have gathered a few hairy reports over the years. It was good to read the Salt Point Saga again. Steve W MicroCapMaven at aol.com wrote: I once had to do a paddle float self rescue in 20 ft seas/30+ kt winds, off Sonoma County (see trip report "Salt Point Saga" circa 2000). My newly acquired roll failed me in those conditions and it was too rough to cowboy back into my Perception Pirouette. An electric pump would have made a reentry roll much more practical. The paddle float technique stabilized the boat well, although it took me a couple of tries to initially get back in. I tried to keep the float deployed while pumping out, with Paul holding on to help stabilize me for a while. Another guy, Sid, whose kayak sank in over 100 ft. of water, was causing me problems while grabbing my boat in panic, until Mike Higgins took him away. Some may ask, what the h___ were we doing out in 20 ft. seas? Read the trip report. I also had to use a paddle float to get back in not long after I got out of a three week vacation in the hospital with an elbow operation and stomach problems. Always bring a paddle float and pump with you while out in your sea kayak. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 8:44:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sandmarks at ca.rr.com writes: Jeff, Sure that works in the best of circumstances, but in our little scenario on Sunday we had one guy towing one guy pumping and one guy stabilizing his boat--mostly to get him out of harms way quicker. If your paddling in calm or safe area and go over, you'll probably do fine with the paddle float stabilizing you. Even with an electric pump it would help till the pump got out enough water. But if you go over around rocks and waves, they may not wait for you to be ready before they send in round two. Practice a PF rescue and boat pumping session and then envision being at Abalone Point with waves crashing and rocks around you. You'll probably realize time is not on your side. And since you are new and I haven't ranted about my second pet safety peeve for a while, I'll do so now! I carry an inflatable paddlefloat, wouldn't leave home without it. But back in the day when I wasn't such an amazing roller, I'd never use it for a rescue. I would use the foam float that I made from a small kick board. http://www.sandmarks.net/paddlefloat.html Hardly any time to deploy, no giant sack to fill with water and leaves your paddle freer to be used for what it was meant to be, a paddle. My safety strategy for paddling alone was an electric pump and paddle float reentry roll using my easy to use board. The paddle float reentry roll is easy peezy, but leaves you with more water in your boat, but that wasn't a big deal with my pump. Hope to see you on the water to practice some wet stuff. Maybe we can do a Saturday practice soon. Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). Regards, -Jeff _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/d7be5ea5/attachment.htm From MicroCapMaven at aol.com Tue May 6 13:02:56 2008 From: MicroCapMaven at aol.com (MicroCapMaven at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:02:56 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] 5/4/2008 Lessons Learned In The Pond Practice Today Message-ID: Steve: I think that one agreed me at least 5+ years. Good lessons learned. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 12:18:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hullcracker at yahoo.com writes: George, I think we can take some of our CKF trip report adventures and make our own version of the book "Deep Trouble". We have gathered a few hairy reports over the years. It was good to read the Salt Point Saga again. Steve W MicroCapMaven at aol.com wrote: I once had to do a paddle float self rescue in 20 ft seas/30+ kt winds, off Sonoma County (see trip report "Salt Point Saga" circa 2000). My newly acquired roll failed me in those conditions and it was too rough to cowboy back into my Perception Pirouette. An electric pump would have made a reentry roll much more practical. The paddle float technique stabilized the boat well, although it took me a couple of tries to initially get back in. I tried to keep the float deployed while pumping out, with Paul holding on to help stabilize me for a while. Another guy, Sid, whose kayak sank in over 100 ft. of water, was causing me problems while grabbing my boat in panic, until Mike Higgins took him away. Some may ask, what the h___ were we doing out in 20 ft. seas? Read the trip report. I also had to use a paddle float to get back in not long after I got out of a three week vacation in the hospital with an elbow operation and stomach problems. Always bring a paddle float and pump with you while out in your sea kayak. Regards, George Miller ~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 5/6/2008 8:44:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sandmarks at ca.rr.com writes: Jeff, Sure that works in the best of circumstances, but in our little scenario on Sunday we had one guy towing one guy pumping and one guy stabilizing his boat--mostly to get him out of harms way quicker. If your paddling in calm or safe area and go over, you'll probably do fine with the paddle float stabilizing you. Even with an electric pump it would help till the pump got out enough water. But if you go over around rocks and waves, they may not wait for you to be ready before they send in round two. Practice a PF rescue and boat pumping session and then envision being at Abalone Point with waves crashing and rocks around you. You'll probably realize time is not on your side. And since you are new and I haven't ranted about my second pet safety peeve for a while, I'll do so now! I carry an inflatable paddlefloat, wouldn't leave home without it. But back in the day when I wasn't such an amazing roller, I'd never use it for a rescue. I would use the foam float that I made from a small kick board. http://www.sandmarks.net/paddlefloat.html Hardly any time to deploy, no giant sack to fill with water and leaves your paddle freer to be used for what it was meant to be, a paddle. My safety strategy for paddling alone was an electric pump and paddle float reentry roll using my easy to use board. The paddle float reentry roll is easy peezy, but leaves you with more water in your boat, but that wasn't a big deal with my pump. Hope to see you on the water to practice some wet stuff. Maybe we can do a Saturday practice soon. Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- Couldn't you use a paddle float as an outrigger to stabilize you while you pump out the water? I think the electric pump is a great idea, but it adds another point of failure too IMNO (In My Newbie Opinion). 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URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/c05d85d7/attachment-0001.html From john_faas at yahoo.com Tue May 6 17:15:01 2008 From: john_faas at yahoo.com (John Faas) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] (no subject) Message-ID: <397449.1002.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/c93d8952/attachment.htm From lee at vgrp.com Tue May 6 18:14:45 2008 From: lee at vgrp.com (Lee A. Shurie) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:14:45 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] CKF: Change Email Address and Renew Membership In-Reply-To: <397449.1002.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c8afdf$bdb172b0$6402a8c0@LEESDELL> I have changed your email address. For info, members can change their email address by going to http://ckf.org then click on the blue mailing list icon then scroll to the bottom of the page. To renew your membership, click below for the renewal form and send your check to the address listed on the form. http://ckf.org/docs/Application.doc Best, Lee -----Original Message----- From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of John Faas Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:15 PM To: Info at list.ckf.org Subject: [CKF Info] (no subject) I'm not sure if this is the correct way to do this, but a couple of questions: I would like to change my e mail address for all things CKF and I need to renew my membership. I would like to use skinnypaddler at yahoo.com for my address and where and how much do I owe for another year of fun? thanks (CLC Artic Hawk is to be delivered in about one week!!!!) John Faas _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080506/72c8c7b8/attachment.html From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Wed May 7 06:48:38 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:48:38 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Some nice words about CKF Message-ID: Thought folks might like to read Craig Jungers' report of his trip down here to visit the Fest -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Craig Jungers Subject: [Paddlewise] Tour de West Coast Ok, not the entire west coast... and actually only bits of it. But I drove most of the West Coast of the USA in about a week and while I didn't get to paddle in all the places I really wanted to, I did manage to accomplish a few of my goals. Goal 1: Get to the CKF get-together in So. Cal. from Moses Lake, WA. Everything conspired against me to delay my departure. Between business, family and a terrible case of stomach flu I didn't get packed up and on the road until Friday night at 7:30pm. Since the CKF get-together was some 1100 miles away on Sunday morning I had my work cut out for me. The closure of the main bridge across the Columbia River at Biggs, OR also presented a problem. Nevertheless, I rolled into Mark Sanders' driveway in Costa Mesa, CA at exactly 8:15pm the next evening for a total time of 24 hours 45 minutes on the road. Including about 5 hours sleep in a Bend, OR motel. Mark and his wife Christie very kindly loaned me their spare room for the next two nights. Sunday morning we drove to Long Beach and the Naples beach for the CKF get-together and Mark took my Mariner Coaster out for a trial paddle. Just getting into the Coaster is a trick for fellows our size but once in there is plenty of room. Mark seemed happy with the boat and even put in a couple of rolls. The California Kayak Friends is an association of active paddlers of all experience levels who paddle everything from recreational boats to the highest high-tech carbon-fiber boats and the most beautiful hand-crafted wooden boats. I was very pleased to finally meet Duane Strosaker who has been one of my favorite contributors to kayaking on the west coast with his articles on Paddlewise and his remarkable web page (www.rollordrown.com). Mark's collection of paddling pals were friendly and outgoing to this refugee from the snow and ice of a nasty spring in central Washington. Goal #2: Paddle to the Big Ass.... er, Arch Rock. On Monday morning Mark took the day off to act as my guide to the Big Arch Rock. A feature of the So. Cal. coast just outside Newport Harbor, the BAR has been a mainstay of Mark Sanders' photos and articles. Those photos and postings sustained me throughout the long winter here at the lake house so I wanted very badly to see the BAR and, if possible, play around it. Unfortunately, the tide was low and the swell was high and the BAR was closed. Mark spent some time wondering if he couldn't get through it after all while I poked around outside looking for whales. We joined up and paddled back to the secret beach in almost no wind. A solitary sea lion begging for scraps at the bait barge gave us short shrift as we paddled past. Goal #3: Paddle Big Sur. I left Monday evening for Santa Barbara and points north along US1 hugging the west coast of California. Arguably one of the most beautiful stretches of highway in the entire country (if not the world) the trip is worth the effort just for the views. I wanted to paddle and stopped for the night at Morro Bay to stay in a small motel that turned out to overlook the famous "Rock". The morning dawned foggy with a low tide and even though I drove around a bit to see if it was worth launching, I was almost upon the "Rock" in the car before I saw it. So I headed north for San Simeon. By the time I reached San Simeon the wind that had been predicted to reach 15 to 20 was 25 to 30 and building even higher. The wind became the dominating force for the rest of my trip up the CA coast and ultimately caused me to bail out and head to Puget Sound. Nevertheless I managed to visit Monterrey where it was even windier, and found that sheltered Elkhorn Slough had nasty seas both at the Moss Landing end and the Kirby Beach end. The folks at Monterrey Bay Kayaks were surprised at that. Another evening and another motel and I was up early to launch at Moss Landing to paddle the lower reaches of Elkhorn Slough in search of the elusive sea otter. Elkhorn Slough is a marvelous waterway that winds for about 5 miles eastwards from Moss Landing which lies about halfway between Monterrey and Santa Cruz. You can launch at either the pay-to-park ramp at Moss Landing or at Kirby Park at the eastern end of the slough. Since my mission was to at last see the sea otters and the sea otters hang out at the western end of the slough, it only made sense to launch at Moss Landing and fight my way through the harbor seals and sea lion packs to get under the highway bridge and into sea otter territory. It didn't take long to find them after getting under the bridge though. And I had a nice time photographing and watching several otters as they munched their way through breakfast. On my way back to the car I managed to catch a few of the large swells that were making their way into the harbor entrance against the ebb tide. The Coaster was happy to show me how she loved to surf. In a few minutes I was on my way to Berkeley and friends for a short visit. Goal 4: Tomales Bay. That same evening I arrived at Tomales Bay to find the wind blowing even more fiercely than it had been further south. By now I was thorougly sick of wind and just turned tail and ran north to Redding where a friend had a sofa waiting for me. Goal 5: Deception Pass. A one-day drive north from Redding (including a pause to paddle the houseboat strewn waterways of Portland, OR) brought me to Pam's house and her spare bedroom for the night. The next morning I headed to the ferry at Mukilteo, WA which crosses to the southern end of Whidbey Island. We have a small lot at Freeland on Holmes Harbor and I stopped to set up a tent and campsite before the rain hit, and then headed up the highway some 30 miles to Deception Pass. Launching at Bowman Bay on the flood tide, I played around at the Pass until it was time to head home. By this time the swells had built in Bowman Bay and a dumping surf was hitting the beach. Dumping surf is common here and my normally graceless exit was made even worse by the steep beach and the 2-foot waves hitting the stern of the Coaster. A local paddler lent me a hand and I was soon on the road back to camp with the back of the Coaster covered in bits of seaweed. The next day Pam came up to Deception Pass and we launched at Cornet Bay to paddle against the flood almost up to the bridges. A combination of boat wakes and currents got me nervous; not the least of which was caused by the fact that I had left my dry top at the camp and had lost my favorite Mariner paddles. All I had was a poly top and wing paddles. Neither of which was the best choice for Deception Pass. So we paddled up almost to the bridge before I turned tail and rain back with the current and eddied out. We paddled around a few of the islands and then packed up and headed to the campsite where we found my dry top and launched for a 5-mile round trip paddle north in Holmes harbor to round an island and head home almost at sunset. I broke camp, loaded the kayaks, and Pam and I barely made the 9:30pm ferry to the mainland where we parted ways; her to go home to Graham and me to head across the mountains to Moses Lake. I got home at 1am Monday morning and fell into bed. I still haven't unloaded the car completely. LOL. Some goals met, some goals unmet. But quite a trip for an old guy. I'll try to get some pics up. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise at PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request at PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** From cpaula at charter.net Wed May 7 13:26:35 2008 From: cpaula at charter.net (Paula Chavez) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:26:35 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] NOAA's new webpage Visiting You Sanctuary link Message-ID: <005901c8b080$a99c62c0$e96b5e61@Paulas> This came to me and what a great resource! I just had to share with you! For planning your trips..... I wanted to bring to your attention a new ONMS webpage that links to NWS marine and weather forecasts, and NDBC real-time ocean buoy and coastal station observations for all our sites in the NMS system. It is currently housed under the "Visiting Your Sanctuary" link. Thanks to Katalin Zakar for helping update the existing NWS link and putting it on our website. Enjoy. http://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/visit/marine_forecast/welcome.html -- Brady Phillips National Constituent and Partnership Coordinator National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Office of National Marine Sanctuaries 1305 East-West Highway, Room 11163 Silver Spring, Maryland 20910 Tel: 301-713-7247 Cell: 240-429-8216 Fax: 301-713-0404 E-mail: Brady.Phillips at noaa.gov Website: http://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/ Paula -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080507/5bb87608/attachment.htm From sh at actglobal.net Thu May 8 05:34:56 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:34:56 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Where in the World is Jen Kleck Message-ID: <001d01c8b107$ee55d8b0$cb018a10$@net> Here's today's report from Jen. Click on the link to see the Google Map. Steve -----Original Message----- From: noreply at findmespot.com [mailto:noreply at findmespot.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:29 AM To: Subject: OK ESN:0-7372448 SPOT Check OK. ESN:0-7372448 Latitude:53.2874 Longitude:-4.6507 Nearest Location:not known Distance:not known Time:05/08/2008 02:29:12 (US/Pacific) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=53.2874,-4.6507&ie=UTF8&z=1 2&om=1 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3085 (20080508) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3085 (20080508) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From houser4 at earthlink.net Thu May 8 16:26:28 2008 From: houser4 at earthlink.net (The Housers) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:26:28 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Where in the World is Jen Kleck Message-ID: <410-2200854823262862@earthlink.net> So is she sleeping on the tidal flats?? > [Original Message] > From: Steve Holtzman > To: CKF > Date: 5/8/2008 5:35:08 AM > Subject: [CKF Info] Where in the World is Jen Kleck > > Here's today's report from Jen. Click on the link to see the Google Map. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: noreply at findmespot.com [mailto:noreply at findmespot.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:29 AM > To: Subject: OK ESN:0-7372448 > > SPOT Check OK. > ESN:0-7372448 > Latitude:53.2874 > Longitude:-4.6507 > Nearest Location:not known > Distance:not known > Time:05/08/2008 02:29:12 (US/Pacific) > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=53.2874,-4.6507&ie=UTF8&z=1 > 2&om=1 > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 3085 (20080508) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 3085 (20080508) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From sandmarks at ca.rr.com Thu May 8 19:39:37 2008 From: sandmarks at ca.rr.com (Mark Sanders) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:39:37 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] Day #40, Finally back on the Water! Message-ID: 5/8/08 Darn, I feel like such a slacker! I haven't been on the water since Carnage Sunday, so it was nice to join Ken for a longish paddle this noon. We agreed to meet at noon thirty, but Ken was already on the water when I arrived at 12:10. I guess he just wanted an excuse not to help me with my boat! We made quick work of the harbor and were greeted outside with a nice visit from some dolphins. Three of them were head straight for us and lazily came up right off our bow for a snort before heading right under our boats. We took our first break around BAR and conditions were squirrelly, but I managed a pass through the arch for the first time in a while to find Ken practicing rolling outside. I snuck in one more pass and we headed on for Crystal Cove. I figured Ken was in charge of this paddle; I planned to head wherever he told me to go and he figured we should at least beat out our Sunday paddle. Paddling past Reef Point, we saw the very wave forming over the hidden rock that took me out on our last paddle. Heading on we neared Steve's reef at Abalone Point. The tide was high, so conditions were safer, but you could see the water churning over the reef that Steve danced with not so long ago. Seal Rock was not far off and Ken felt we should at least go a bit past where we turned on that paddle. I took the inside passage at SR, the rather mild conditions as they were, but I was thinking they might change the name to Stinky Rock as I passed down wind. A couple coves down, we stopped to rest before our trip home and I used the time to enjoy the beautiful view of the Laguna coastline. It had been a muggy paddle south, but once turned towards home the wind greeted us to cool us down. I hugged the rocky coast, while Ken took the outer route. For a bit of change, I switched to my GP for the paddle home. Despite Steve's recent carnage, AP was rather tame, so Ken followed me on the inside passage there till we rested in the choppy waters to the north. The Green House at Crystal Cove was to be our next stop, but we separated quite a bit on this stretch. I like to see the coast moving by close up to show my progress, but Ken kept on an outer course. Near Reef Point things still seemed rather tame, but when I got closer a nice set rolled in. I was in a good angle to handle things and soon found myself plowing through a small set of waves. Things were going peachy until just north of the reef when an overhead wave decided to land right on my vicinity. I though I might again find myself wrong side up at RP, but made it through upright, although soaked from head to waist for the rest of the paddle. Ken decided to follow me for a bit close to the shore and got to realize one of the benefits of inshore paddling when we passed a couple of surfergirl wanna be's prancing a bit on the shore. This part of the shore can seem a long paddle at time, but hugging the coast makes things go by quicker as you have to keep an eye on the occasional sneaker wave. I had no problem passing the myriad of small reefs, while avoiding said sneakers and we were soon back at BAR. Conditions had turned for the worse, so after a brief rest we continued on our final leg. We were glad to hit the Secret Beach and as a salute I did a celebratory roll. We'd put in a good day of mileage, so headed home to recoup. Mark Sanders www.sandmarks.net # From bwaldron at impulse.net Fri May 9 08:23:27 2008 From: bwaldron at impulse.net (Beverly Waldron) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:23:27 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? Message-ID: I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/c33f2159/attachment.htm From dougsfamily at mac.com Fri May 9 08:35:51 2008 From: dougsfamily at mac.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:35:51 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <802401CE-3F68-4314-8337-8738CB8AFE31@mac.com> A couple of easy storage ideas for inside your cockpit- A. Attach a bungee net under your deck, usually to pad eyes added where above-deck attachments are now, of perhaps just to the existing hardware under your deck. B. Install (easy) an "under-deck bag" (large about 6" diameter or smaller about 6" wide by 2" deep. These slide out, toward you, when you want to get your stuff. C. Use a spray deck/skirt with an under deck (just above your lap/ legs) large pocket, or a pocket or dry storage compartment on the top of the skirt/deck (as opposed to on the body tube, which is often covered by your PFD and less inviting). D. Or just use a low profile, tightly secured above deck bag (waterproof or not). All of these work great, depending on how you fit in your cockpit and what you want/need to carry. None of them, installed properly by design, should impede your entry/exit from your kayak under any circumstance. I have used all of them (except the new skirts with a waterproof hatch in the deck) and love the concept of under-deck storage for some things. Others are best stored in a bag on your deck. Just think through what works for you. Joanne Schwartz On May 9, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Beverly Waldron wrote: > > I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy > access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my > Capella 161. > > Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or > suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front > deck inside the cockpit. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thank you > Bev > > Beverly Waldron > bwaldron at impulse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/c6b53988/attachment.html From sh at actglobal.net Fri May 9 09:19:00 2008 From: sh at actglobal.net (Steve Holtzman) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:19:00 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005c01c8b1f0$641ae250$2c50a6f0$@net> Bev, Easy access during a paddle is what your day hatch is for. Anything under the deck can possibly make it more difficult to get in and out of your boat during wet exits and re-entries. Give it some more time, and you will find that you won't even think twice about getting into the day hatch when you want something. Steve From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Waldron Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:23 AM To: ckF Friends Email List Cc: CKF Email List Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3086 (20080508) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/f029e52c/attachment.html From bwaldron at impulse.net Fri May 9 08:23:27 2008 From: bwaldron at impulse.net (Beverly Waldron) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:23:27 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? Message-ID: I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/c33f2159/attachment-0001.htm From dougsfamily at mac.com Fri May 9 08:35:51 2008 From: dougsfamily at mac.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:35:51 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <802401CE-3F68-4314-8337-8738CB8AFE31@mac.com> A couple of easy storage ideas for inside your cockpit- A. Attach a bungee net under your deck, usually to pad eyes added where above-deck attachments are now, of perhaps just to the existing hardware under your deck. B. Install (easy) an "under-deck bag" (large about 6" diameter or smaller about 6" wide by 2" deep. These slide out, toward you, when you want to get your stuff. C. Use a spray deck/skirt with an under deck (just above your lap/ legs) large pocket, or a pocket or dry storage compartment on the top of the skirt/deck (as opposed to on the body tube, which is often covered by your PFD and less inviting). D. Or just use a low profile, tightly secured above deck bag (waterproof or not). All of these work great, depending on how you fit in your cockpit and what you want/need to carry. None of them, installed properly by design, should impede your entry/exit from your kayak under any circumstance. I have used all of them (except the new skirts with a waterproof hatch in the deck) and love the concept of under-deck storage for some things. Others are best stored in a bag on your deck. Just think through what works for you. Joanne Schwartz On May 9, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Beverly Waldron wrote: > > I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy > access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my > Capella 161. > > Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or > suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front > deck inside the cockpit. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thank you > Bev > > Beverly Waldron > bwaldron at impulse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Info mailing list > Info at list.ckf.org > http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/c6b53988/attachment-0002.html From bhanna at amgen.com Fri May 9 10:08:55 2008 From: bhanna at amgen.com (Hanna, Brett) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:08:55 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: <005c01c8b1f0$641ae250$2c50a6f0$@net> References: <005c01c8b1f0$641ae250$2c50a6f0$@net> Message-ID: Are there safe options for those of us without a day hatch? Brett ________________________________ From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Holtzman Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:19 AM To: 'Beverly Waldron'; 'ckF Friends Email List' Subject: Re: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? Bev, Easy access during a paddle is what your day hatch is for. Anything under the deck can possibly make it more difficult to get in and out of your boat during wet exits and re-entries. Give it some more time, and you will find that you won't even think twice about getting into the day hatch when you want something. Steve From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Waldron Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:23 AM To: ckF Friends Email List Cc: CKF Email List Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3086 (20080508) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/f3526258/attachment.html From Fallon1234 at aol.com Fri May 9 12:27:54 2008 From: Fallon1234 at aol.com (Fallon1234 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:27:54 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? Message-ID: Hi Bev, I had the same thought when I bought my kayak eight years ago so I had a friend install a net just under the deck. I used every time I paddle and have wet exited more times than I care to remember. The net never interfered but, however, most important, I do not store heavy items there that would make the net bag hang too far down. I use it for a small dry bag with sunscreen, lip protection, etc. I also use the space for gloves and a light splash jacket. My friend had to drill four small holes in the deck to attach the small plastic hooks shaped like a "j", I don't know what they are called. I'm sure some of the guys can help you on that one. Happy paddling, Carol **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/b2ec1882/attachment.htm From Fallon1234 at aol.com Fri May 9 12:27:54 2008 From: Fallon1234 at aol.com (Fallon1234 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:27:54 EDT Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? Message-ID: Hi Bev, I had the same thought when I bought my kayak eight years ago so I had a friend install a net just under the deck. I used every time I paddle and have wet exited more times than I care to remember. The net never interfered but, however, most important, I do not store heavy items there that would make the net bag hang too far down. I use it for a small dry bag with sunscreen, lip protection, etc. I also use the space for gloves and a light splash jacket. My friend had to drill four small holes in the deck to attach the small plastic hooks shaped like a "j", I don't know what they are called. I'm sure some of the guys can help you on that one. Happy paddling, Carol **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/b2ec1882/attachment.html From dennishyndman at att.net Fri May 9 22:36:43 2008 From: dennishyndman at att.net (dennis) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:36:43 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35D8A1B14CA849E8A8700B6B2A5FDBCC@Gateway> Bev, I stow my pump under the deck with velco, since I figure you'll have your skirt off if you're pumping. (Keep your mind out of the gutter!!) A fellow paddler took the idea and has mounted a Nalgene Bottle under his deck using the same installation for miscellaneous items. I used a thick layer of marine silicone and weighted the velco overnight with the boat inverted and weighted my pump in place. After the silicone cured it formed the velco to the exact dimension of the pump to ensure good contact. The velco is about 2" x 12" which seems like a minimum area for good grip. It was installed about 5 years ago and I have not noticed any delaminating, since it rarely sits in water. I keep an eye that the velco doesn't get full of sand, however. I have rolled with it, wet exited with it, and have had it full of water a number of times. It DOES come loose every once in a while, but seems like an ideal space to utilize. It might be even more effective if another quick release strap was attached under the velco at the same time. Dennis _____ From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Waldron Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:23 AM To: ckF Friends Email List Cc: CKF Email List Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/70fd0817/attachment-0001.html From dennishyndman at att.net Fri May 9 22:36:43 2008 From: dennishyndman at att.net (dennis) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:36:43 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35D8A1B14CA849E8A8700B6B2A5FDBCC@Gateway> Bev, I stow my pump under the deck with velco, since I figure you'll have your skirt off if you're pumping. (Keep your mind out of the gutter!!) A fellow paddler took the idea and has mounted a Nalgene Bottle under his deck using the same installation for miscellaneous items. I used a thick layer of marine silicone and weighted the velco overnight with the boat inverted and weighted my pump in place. After the silicone cured it formed the velco to the exact dimension of the pump to ensure good contact. The velco is about 2" x 12" which seems like a minimum area for good grip. It was installed about 5 years ago and I have not noticed any delaminating, since it rarely sits in water. I keep an eye that the velco doesn't get full of sand, however. I have rolled with it, wet exited with it, and have had it full of water a number of times. It DOES come loose every once in a while, but seems like an ideal space to utilize. It might be even more effective if another quick release strap was attached under the velco at the same time. Dennis _____ From: info-bounces at list.ckf.org [mailto:info-bounces at list.ckf.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Waldron Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:23 AM To: ckF Friends Email List Cc: CKF Email List Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.ckf.org/pipermail/info/attachments/20080509/70fd0817/attachment.htm From aling13 at cox.net Fri May 9 23:38:07 2008 From: aling13 at cox.net (Henk Aling) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:38:07 -0700 Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? References: Message-ID: <005c01c8b268$68b0a890$fe96a8c0@SIERRANEVADA> Beverley, how will you access the underdeck storage with your sprayskirt on? I have a nylon sprayskirt with a zipper which is great if rolling upside down is not your cup of tea. That will let me access my underdeck storage. The brand is Wildwasser, it is quite sturdy and easy to put on and off. I epoxied 4 eye hooks under the deck and wrapped a leak bicycle innertube through it in an 8 shape: http://members.cox.net/aling13/kayak/build/fall_2004/DCP_3083.JPG (Never mind the foot rest in the pic, it has long been replaced!). I use it to store my flippers and the pump above it. It does not bother me when I wet exit or re-enter. If you have a glass boat, epoxy should work I think. It is obviously heavy duty, better than drilling holes through the deck if it were my choice. Henk ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Waldron To: ckF Friends Email List Cc: CKF Email List Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: [CKF Info] cockpit storage? I also would like to store some things in my cockpit for easy access during a paddle, but there are no attachment places in my Capella 161. Therefore, I was wondering if there was some type of velcro or suction cup mesh bag (??) that could be attached under the front deck inside the cockpit. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you Bev Beverly Waldron bwaldron at impulse.net _______________________________________________ Info mailing list Info at list.ckf.org http://list.ckf.org/mailman/listinfo/info From strosaker at yahoo.com Sat May 10 09:36:29 2008 From: strosaker at yahoo.com (Duane Strosaker) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CKF Info] Point Bennett in French Message-ID: <475984.82609.qm@web50606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kayakers, Thanks to Christophe Meyer in France, the Point Bennett info and building pages are now available in french. He tells me three (the 16.75, 18, and double) are being built there right now. http://www.rollordrown.com/kayak/ftindex.html A pretty big traditional movement is occurring there too: http://norsaq.ifrance.com/ Duane From sh at act